global warning update.

[straffo]

Originally posted by john9001
NASA satellites check the ocean temps to help predict hurricanes, they show the temp of the Atlantic is cooler this year than last year at this time.

I wonder if al (the world is ending) gore knows about this?

I heard that in the southern part of Moldova the temperature have not been so low since about 1 full year !

Ever heard of :

?

[Curval]

I am not a scientist as already stated but those graphs are ludicrous examples of proof that global warming is a natural thing.  Carry on burying your heads.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Hangtime
If GWB was God, would his poll numbers be this low?

If he had'nt alienated GOP conservatives, his numbers COULDN'T get below 40's:mad:

[Angus]

Just read another article.
It's not just the Icecaps melting and oceans warming (icecaps melting actually chill the water like an icecube in the whisky,-temporarily), - nope.
The deserts are warming too!

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Angus
Just read another article.
It's not just the Icecaps melting and oceans warming (icecaps melting actually chill the water like an icecube in the whisky,-temporarily), - nope.
The deserts are warming too!

I don't think you'll find too many that disagree. What we disagree on is how much of this is a naturally occuring cycle, and to what degree humans have an impact on it.  I stand on my statement that anyone that thinks humans are the major impact on global warming are arrogant.  Higher thinking sometimes leads to egotistical thinking as well.

[Mighty1]

Originally posted by Curval
I am not a scientist as already stated but those graphs are ludicrous examples of proof that global warming is a natural thing.

Same could be said about the so called proof against it being natural.

Let's see...no one doubts it has happened before but for some reason now it is mainly because of man.

Originally posted by Curval
Carry on burying your heads.

Ok Ok give me a second...........

I know!!

Keep on telling us the sky is falling!


 

[lukster]

Originally posted by Curval
I am not a scientist as already stated but those graphs are ludicrous examples of proof that global warming is a natural thing.  Carry on burying your heads.

Why are they ludicrous?

[lazs2]

curval... it is not "hip" to deny that it is happening...  it is probably happening... It is just that most people that have any brains at all deny that we are the cause of it.  Or... that we can make it stop.

lazs

[Westy]

Finally!  Someone calling it the way it really is...  pure bunk!  

 For decades I've been tired of the world's "intelligentsia" with thier attention starved pronouncements and publishing of hysterical "reports."  It's no coincidence that they always run contrary to the objective, full of humanitarian concern and never selfserving tests and investigations by these poor corporations and industries who stand to lose the most from these undeserved attacks.
 These smarty pants are carrying on these charades in order to sell thier books filled with lies and to continue grants they were granted for "research."


 It's not only the human effect on global warming though.  I also think smoking doesn't cause cancer.  Anyone ever see it happen?  Seen an inhale actually spark up a cancer cell? Hell no.  Was probably due to years of parakeet dander inhalation that caused the death of Uncle Charlie and so many millions more.

 And lead never effected childrens brains nor caused any other abnormalities. Any of you ever see lead cause harm? Course not. Little Jimmy is probably "slow" due to permissive, homo-loving, illegal alien employing, liberal parenting.  Nothing that a fine ful- blinders-on conservative, corporal punishment based upbringing couldn't have cured.  A firm back hand on the side of two year old Jimmies head would have worked wonders for his learning and behavioral abilities later on thats for damn sure


p.s. *IF* the earths temperature rose over the last 20 years it could easily be linked to the girth of Rosanne Barre. As she's gotten larger so has her ability to spread 98.6F temprature over a wider area.

[Curval]

lukster...I'll get back to you on that...I don't have time to illustrate it right now.

Lazs, why do we have any emission standards at all then?  Is it all just b/s?  Are the scientists as stupid as you and Rip seem to think they are?  Talk about arrogance...geesh.

I was in traffic on a rush hour in Toronto last week.  Hundreds of thosands of cars belching exhaust.  That is one city out of many cities worldwide who have the same thing happen five days a weeks.  You are saying this has no perceptable effect on global warming...or other environmental damage?

You are fooling yourself.

I know why you are arguing the case.  You like hotrods and you don't want some scientist telling you that you cannot drive them anymore.  Fine.  Just admit it instead of trying to argue that we humans don't contribute to environmental degradation.

[lukster]

Emissions standards weren't (and may not be) about global warming they were about keeping the air breatheable in the valleys.

[Mighty1]

Originally posted by Curval
Just admit it instead of trying to argue that we humans don't contribute to environmental degradation.

Contribute? Yes as do all living breathing creatures.

What I don't agree with is that we are the cause of global warming.

[lazs2]

curval.... you could have no emissions standards in an area where there was a lot of inversion or flushing of the area... say a tiny little island with a strong wind from only one direction.

The fact that fires from the indians in the 1800's would leave a haze in the LA basin is not a reason to ban cookfires around the world..

the fact that you seen pollution in toronto does not mean that people alaska got the same dose.   The solution to pollution is dillution..

That being said...  with modern computer controled fuel injection and catalytic converteres... it is quite easy to reduce emissions and help out the areas where air pollution is a big problem.

I am all for that so long as the standards are cost effective... say... you can reduce pollutants from the exhaust by 97% for $600   that has greatly helped the areas of high population and stagnant flushing action... it is not too big of a burden for people with no problem and... they will drive in that city at some time or another right?

Now... to further reduce emissions to 97.5%  it would cost an additional $1500 per vehicle.... now we run into a problem.   We also need to realize that we may be using up resources to outfit and opperate such vehicles...

for instance... it may take a lot of energy and material to make the new pollution device... said device may shorten the life of the vehicle and make it less efficient..  

Yet... the environmental whack jobs will still promote it as "reducing emissions"   This is not true... there may be some allmost immessuralble improvement in the places where people are crammed together in cities that are in bad areas... but..  the rest of the country is making things worse over all.

lazs

[Jackal1]

It`s the cow farts I`m tellin ya.......the cow farts!
Eat more steak. Save the world.

[Angus]

Not bad Rip

Since I've been looking at this for the past 20 years or so, being sceptical in the beginning, (cold winters and summers up here in the period 1979 to 1983 while the 20's to 60's were warmer), I must confess that it's warming up, - definately.
Years back it was being debated whether it was warming, which the young myself could very well understand. Well, it turned out to be warming, and by now, faster than predicted.
Now the debate is about whether we have something to do with it or not.
After looking carefully, I rather figure that we do. Many still remain suspicious about this, since accepting it will mean a decrease in temporary life standards....maybe and for some.
My fears are that by the time we realize (if Al Gore is right, we'll see some rather impressive stuff n the next 20-30 years ), we'll be too late to do anything, and will sit by and watch. Perhaps the end of civilization.
Once upon a time, the North pole was a bog. Once upon a time, the poles were elsewhere. Once upin a time, Iceland was almost tropical. And one day this planet will perish. But IMHO it is no excuse to overlook that the global warming WARNINGS turned true (The earliest ones being 100 years old), so we will have to look seriously at the reasons for them. Don't want Venus atmosphere on my turf, nope.