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Offline DiabloTX

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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2006, 09:15:55 PM »
Just had an idea.

Congressional resolution stating that all official US flags be made of fire retardant/fire-proof material.

Problem solved.

Damn, I should run for office...
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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2006, 09:51:27 PM »
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Just had an idea.

Congressional resolution stating that all official US flags be made of fire retardant/fire-proof material.

Problem solved.

Damn, I should run for office...


I hate to bust your bubble...soaked in any flammable liquid that generates high heats, even those materials will fail
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2006, 10:12:14 PM »
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I don't care if people burn flags or not but...

I have never been able to understand how burning them was considered "speech" ..... not even close.

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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2006, 02:11:07 AM »
Motion Defeated. By two votes.

I'm still flabbergasted that they even made the attempt... even the concept of abridging the 1st is illegal. That damned right is all but carved in stone!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[/i]

Can't those baboons even READ?
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2006, 02:17:18 AM »
Two or three Republican base issues raised so far, two or three to go.

Gotta marvel at these clowns. They think everyone is as stupid as them.
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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2006, 02:17:20 AM »
Hang, quick question for you.


What do you define as speech?  I.E. What is free speech?
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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2006, 02:33:12 AM »
I believe Free Speech is Freedom of Expression.

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."   -- Noam Chomsky

Or.. from somebody on the other side of the spectrum:

"Free speech is intended to protect the controversial and even outrageous word; and not just comforting platitudes too mundane to need protection. -- Colin Powell"
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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2006, 03:16:34 AM »
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[/i]

Can't those baboons even READ? [/B]


The motion was to amend the constitution.  The 23rd amendment, repealing the 18th, would have been unconstitutional if changing the constitution was not allowed.

This thankfully defeated motion's purpose was to restrict our speech freedoms, thereby modifing the 1st amendment.
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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2006, 06:10:07 AM »
see how your respective senators voted send them a well done or a wtf email. do it now.
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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2006, 08:46:32 AM »
well... burning the flag is not speech.    It is an act.   It is an expression of an idea but it is not speech.   It is an act that can be benign or... meant to incite.  

It is no more protected under free speech than cross burning or cartoons of watermellon eating colored people.  It is an act meant to incite riot or assault.   In that respect it can be restricted.  If the act causes people be offended to the point of violence then it is wrong..

Not to mention.... I know of very few cities where it is legal to burn anything without a permit.

Freedom of expression is allowed in the U.S. and should be but expression meant to incite violence should not be.

On the other hand... some speech is outlawed for some and not for others.  That is a real violation of free speech.

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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2006, 09:16:42 AM »
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If the act causes people be offended to the point of violence then it is wrong..
 


Did it ever occur to you that the offended people might be wrong instead of the initial act, hardly an objective criterion to allow something, eh?
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2006, 09:29:27 AM »
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The motion was to amend the constitution.  The 23rd amendment, repealing the 18th, would have been unconstitutional if changing the constitution was not allowed.

This thankfully defeated motion's purpose was to restrict our speech freedoms, thereby modifing the 1st amendment.


Something of a similar nature, I caught the tail end of something on the news and I'm not sure if the movement has any real possibility of succeeding. Apparently there are some who want every Supreme Court ruling to be considered irreversible. They are so afraid that roe vs wade will be overturned that they are willing to give tyranical authority to the sitting Supremes. Can you believe it?
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2006, 09:46:35 AM »
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Two or three Republican base issues raised so far, two or three to go.

Gotta marvel at these clowns. They think everyone is as stupid as them.


Did you notice that Harry Reid and Dianne Fienstein both supported the ban?
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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2006, 09:48:52 AM »
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Two or three Republican base issues raised so far, two or three to go.

Gotta marvel at these clowns. They think everyone is as stupid as them.
geez you sure seem to be slow on the uptake.  when it comes to expanding governmental power, it is clearly a bipartisan effort.
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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2006, 10:05:51 AM »
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Something of a similar nature, I caught the tail end of something on the news and I'm not sure if the movement has any real possibility of succeeding. Apparently there are some who want every Supreme Court ruling to be considered irreversible. They are so afraid that roe vs wade will be overturned that they are willing to give tyranical authority to the sitting Supremes. Can you believe it?


Well, they're panicking since the chances of it being overturned have become less and less academic.
In itself that's understandable, would be a significant leap backwards of American society and judicial system alike, but this (proposed) measure is as draconic as it is ridiculous.
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