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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2006, 09:52:56 PM »
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A good lever gun, chambered in 45 Colt, 44 Magnum, or best yet, 45-70. You'll have to order your ammo. I hunt them with handguns, both 44 Magnum and 45 Colt. There are several companies that load good ammo for this purpose.


Hot dang, the temp in Hades must be dropping, Savage and I are in agreement on something! 45-70 definitely. Marlin makes a nice lever action (the 1895 Guide Gun) which will do the job. It is one of the top bear rounds out here (black bear). Save the .30 cals for elk or something.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=51119861

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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2006, 10:02:38 PM »
LARGE CALIBRE

AUTOMATIC/Semi-Automatic

LARGE MAGAZINE CAPACITY

AND SOMEONE BACKING YOU UP.



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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2006, 10:05:02 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

If your going to insist on living in such an area then the key is coexistence.
You gotta not do the things that might attract them to begin with.
And that might mean having to give up certain things. Vegetable gardens and storing garbage outside might be among them
And if you have to kill an animal. Then eat it



You are right and you are wrong. Coexistence is cool--but if every single person is not practicing it, it doesn't work. We have a saying out here: "A fed bear is a dead bear." They get "used" to people and it spells their end as they eventually get too aggressive.

Invariably some jerk will leave the trash out or have a 50 lb bag of dog food on the porch and ruin it for the bear.  It is very sad. Established camp grounds are the worst as they are not policed enough unfortunately and our tourist visitors do not understand -- causing the eventual death of the bear. :(

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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2006, 10:33:55 PM »
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Hmmmm.

Move to the woods where there is wildlife, then get upset when encountering wildlife and the local indigenous wildlife poses a threat.

Only fair way is to challenge it in hand to hand combat with a bowie knife.


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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2006, 11:09:45 PM »
Used to deer hunt in an area near Hell Creek Swamp, about 30 miles north of Mobile.  It became a black bear preserve of sorts.  All the bears moved into the area because of land development and more residences being built all around.  I saw bears almost every time I went there.  I thought it was pretty cool to watch the bears.  One big one walked under my stand (6' from head to tail.)  Musta smelled me but never looked up, then walked on.  Hehe, I was thinking, what am I gonna do if that bear starts up this tree.:D

My hunting partner would come get me after dark, and I'd be standing there waiting...thinking about bears.  One thing my partner had said before on previous hunts was "remember, you're the baddest thing in these woods with that rifle, nothing will attack you."  That was comforting.

In the paper not too long ago, there was a lengthy story in the Sunday edition about an old coot who killed a black bear after the bear chomped down on his leg.  He went to the hospital and that's where it was discovered about the bear dealings.  Evidently he was shooting bears, and one got him back when he was checking on it to see if it was dead.  This guy got in a lot of trouble for that, and rightfully so.  Black bears are protected in this state.  Think there are only about 60 left in the state, and most of them are near where I was deer hunting.

But yep, leaving out anything edible will attract bears in a rural/suburban area.  They really like sweets, but they'll eat deer carcasses too.  My friend said he went back to look for a deer he shot the previous day.  A bear had already found it and was dragging it off before my buddy could retrive it.  He said the bear stopped and looked up at the tree stand directly at him, then turned and went off with the deer like "this is my deer now.":)






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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2006, 11:50:51 PM »
Marlin 1895 45-70!!!!!! Use it pig hunting and puts them right down.

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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2006, 12:46:42 AM »
Actually, in all seriousness, Hang has it correct here.  The garand can fire quicker, is more powerful and can reload much easier then any other gun mentioned (seriously that is).

I read a story on a gun forum I used to frequent about a guy getting charged by a grizzlie in alaska.  He had a garand and got off 7 clips of ammo to have the bear drop dead at his feet.

Now, the bear didn't need to get shot with 56 bullets to go down, but chances are you're going to use 56 bullets to PUT the bear down.
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« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2006, 12:53:04 AM »
SKS

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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2006, 12:58:33 AM »
LOL!

after the bear eats yah, he'll use that popgun as a toothpick.

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« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2006, 01:28:24 AM »
Daisy Red Ryder repeater, 200 shot magazine!
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« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2006, 01:58:21 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2006, 08:32:18 AM »
any good high powered rifle round will do well... shotgun slug will work.

Handguns... A good 44 mag round about 250 grains hard cast.   45 colt if you load it up to 44 mag levels.  the new magnums...460 480 500 and wildcats but.... why not just get a rifle if you are gonna lug those clumsy handguns around?

The alltime best would probly be 45-70 or 444 marlin.

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« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2006, 08:47:16 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2006, 09:12:08 AM »
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Hot dang, the temp in Hades must be dropping, Savage and I are in agreement on something! 45-70 definitely. Marlin makes a nice lever action (the 1895 Guide Gun) which will do the job. It is one of the top bear rounds out here (black bear). Save the .30 cals for elk or something.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=51119861

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Savage you coming back to Bigweek?

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Agreed Horn.

The problem with 30 caliber in this case is the fact that it lacks mass, and diameter. Like I said we hunt bear and bore, and while a fast moving 30 caliber will kill a bear, it doesn't STOP the bear as quickly as a large caliber round. And considering the question was "What do I use to stop a bear attacking my wife", I think the point here is to stop the bear fast.

A lever gun will shoot plenty fast. And a 44 or 45 caliber bullet that weighs over 300 grains and moves over 1300 fps out of the muzzle will do a damned fine job on a bear. That means any of the premium ammo sold, coming out of a lever gun, will do the trick, considering my Dan Wesson will push a 300 grain bullet at 1300 fps from a 6" barrel.


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« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2006, 10:04:54 AM »
i have never killed a bear, but know people who have...

a hunter with good aim shooting an unsuspecting bear from the side with a bullet that does not expand a ton can hit the chest and heart / lungs and do major damage.

someone shooting just to shoot, not taking 30 seconds to aim each shot can plug a bear over 5 times with a high powered gun and still be lunch for said bear.

someone mentioned slugs... it will take much more than 1. the slug doesn't have the power to get through the thick bones like a rifle bullet. my uncle told about a bear in upper michigan that took 8 shotgun slugs before going down.
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