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Offline Toad

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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2000, 07:09:00 PM »
So what would you have me do?

Give up?

Sorry, that's not my nature.    

Become totally depressed because my fellow citizens in the most urban and populous states are more than willing to give up freedoms that were purchased with the blood of their ancestors for the illusion of security provided by an overly-intrusive  government?

Sorry, that's not my nature.      

These are the best of times. I am in good health, I am still on the right side of the grass, I am 1/2 way thru a new airplane school and when it has ended I will go pheasant hunting with my sons and my Labs.

In the doldrums of winter I will seek out politicians that share my views. I will work to get them elected. In four years I will do what I can to revive the spirit of independence in my fellow citizens. I will encourage personal responsibility and personal accountability.

I will hope.  

"The citizen of the United States is taught from the earliest infancy to rely upon his own exertions in order to resist the evils and the difficulties of life; he looks upon social [political] authority with an eye of mistrust and anxiety, and he only claims its assistance when he is quite unable to shift without it."

      Alexis Charles Henri Clerel de Tocqueville, DEMOCRACY
            IN AMERICA (1835).

There lies our challenge. Can we Americans reawaken to our heritage?

Or shall we become spineless wards of a mindless bureacracy?

Don't give up.




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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2000, 01:25:00 AM »
America is evolving.  The capitalist theme of this country is beginning to be questioned for its true value wrt the people, and it is found wanting.  Capitalism, once the proud signature of this nation has become gnarled, and self-absorbed.  It no longer cares for the people, or the community, only the profit margin.  Some may say that it never cared, but in the past the government held the power to curb it.  Now, this is no longer true because Capitalism employs government itself, doling out financial charities to syncophantic political parties in return for preferential treatment, and 'business as usual'.  This can no longer continue if we are to remain a free nation.  We can no longer allow Capitalism to rule our lives, govern our politicians.  And the only entity that can hope to combat it is the Federal Government.  Our government must be answerable to the people, not Capitalism.  More needs to be done to curb the inevitable greed that has infested American big business.  We are the richest nation in the world yet most of us never see this wealth, so what good is it to us, the people?  None.  Government must hold the reins of power in this country, because it is the only thing the people have left to trust in.  Not big business.  Not politicians.

I'm not talking about Communism.  That is too harsh, and violence is not a means to an ends.  I'm not even talking pure Socialism.  But I am talking of a merging of Socialism and Democracy where the government oversees the process, and protects the people.  To continue on our present road of Capitalism will only result in our demise as a nation, as it inevitably devours itself from greed and hunger.  Maybe not today, but in two to three decades.
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2000, 01:40:00 AM »
 
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I sure as heck don't believe anything that comes out of Gores mouth. How many times does someone have to lie to you before you see that person as what he is, a paid professional liar.

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Sorry Eagler, but politicians aren't professional liars?

At least this is the image I have of them.

When they are good ones.  

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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2000, 01:48:00 AM »
 
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I sure as heck don't believe anything that comes out of Gores mouth. How many times does someone have to lie to you before you see that person as what he is, a paid professional liar.

So... You say that half of the voting population of USA is unable to choose honest candidate over pathological lier? Is that what you are saying? If Gore is so great liar, why Bush didn't get a landslide victory?

Either voters are really dumb and cannot choose a clearly better candidate? Or voters really want to vote pathological liar?

Or both candidates are equal liars, thus they got almost equal number of votes? How about this scenario?

What really intrigues me is that many americans see everything in black and white without anything between. One candidate is saint and other is antichrist.

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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2000, 02:39:00 AM »
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"step back and then talk to some Liberals. You really don't seem to understand our positions and the reasons we have for them."

LOL!!!   The only belief Liberals have is that they have no beliefs.  

Leonid:  

You assume that Government is "good" and "protects" people and Capitalism is "bad" and only "hurts" people.  That assumption is utterly ridiculous and illogical.  An assumption only a communist like Nader, or a spineless mollusk like Phil Donohue, could spew.

It seems that 50% of the US population has been reduced to the "Bread and Circuses" mentality of the ancient Romans.   And we know how that turned out.

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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2000, 04:13:00 AM »
Sorry, cabby, nothing ridiculous or illogical about it, but you are free to feel that way.  

I have no idea what you're talking about when you equate the dole of late republican/imperial Rome to what's happening here today.  Americans are the hardest working people in the world, yet have very little to show for it, except a wad of cash.  Having that wad of cash seems real cool at first, because it leaves you with 'choices', but after awhile those choices end up requiring a larger wad of money than you've got.  Thus, no money, no choices, no guarantees.  When considering what many other industrialized nations provide their citizens, Americans end up with the cheapest package of the lot.  If this is what it means to have 'choices', then Capitalism isn't making it anymore.
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2000, 06:21:00 AM »
Got a bad feeling about the recount here in Florida. Less than 950 votes diff. - and shrinking.

 

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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2000, 06:24:00 AM »
Cabby the Rabid Reactionary:

"... communist like Nader..."

equates to:

"Go get ya gun, momma, he looks different to us normal folks."

I agree with you Leonid, almost totally.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2000, 02:51:00 PM »
Dowding:

You are a moron.  

Leonid:

"Americans are the hardest working people in the world, yet have very little to show for it, except a wad of cash."

That statement is absurd.  Incredibly so.

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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2000, 03:58:00 PM »
 
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Americans are the hardest working people in the world, yet have very little to show for it, except a wad of cash.  Having that wad of cash seems real cool at first, because it leaves you with 'choices', but after awhile those choices end up requiring a larger wad of money than you've got.  Thus, no money, no choices, no guarantees.

So having money causes you to loose money? Does that actually make sense to you?

What should our work be rewarded with? Food? Water? A hefty pat on the back and a "well done"

You must set yourself free leonid. Send all your cash to me and it will oppress you no longer.


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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2000, 05:37:00 PM »
   
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Dowding:

You are a moron.

lol. Great comeback.

Are sure you don't want to call me a communist?


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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2000, 06:15:00 PM »
Dowding, if i called you a communist, then the "moron" part would only be redundant.

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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2000, 06:20:00 PM »
"All communists are and were morons." - Cabby

Read a book on Stalin sometime (or perhaps that would be 'un-american'?) and see if you hold the same opinion.

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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2000, 06:58:00 PM »
human nature prevents communism from ever working on a large scale. it is simply not feasable for a country-sized unit.

on a smaller level tho (say a few hundred people) it works out rather nicely - see the israeli communal farms for example.

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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2000, 08:36:00 PM »
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""All communists are and were morons." - Cabby"

Didn't say that.  Though i don't necessarily disagree with it.  But your "quote" of me confirms my initial evaluation of you.

Stalin???   A murderous moron.  I never confuse cunning/brute force with intelligence.  I suppose though, you admire the "brilliant" Saddam Hussein too.

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