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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2006, 08:59:56 PM »
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So long as Syria and Iran et al stay out of it, I agree that Israel requires nothing more from the U.S. than the current financial and material aid. However, should any of those countries decide to escalate, that changes it all, and it becomes time to move assets into the area and use force if need be.


why?

How does it serve our interests?
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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2006, 09:00:49 PM »
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I'm wondering what the next move will be. I think Israel will be hammering hezbolah for many days to come. Who will be the first to come to their aid?


Who will save Hezbola I mean.


I think Iran and Syria are already coming to Hellofablow's aid.

Couple of NOE Raids into Iran and syria to take out a nuke plant and a key target or 2...and they'll be REALLY ticked.
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2006, 09:08:23 PM »
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why?

How does it serve our interests?


Because we have already said we will not tolerate nations who support terrorism. We've already been pressuring Syria to stop supporting terrorists. Telling them to stop while standing idly by as they support terroists who attack an ally leaves us looking like the proverbial toothless tiger. Same goes for Iran. The ONLY thing they respect is getting their tulips whipped. If that's what they want, stand off and smoke their tulips with air power and cruise missiles until they just can't take it any more.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2006, 09:10:22 PM »
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Well, the enemy of our enemy is our friend.


that is an Arab saying.
And exactly what I beleive Isreals enemies are counting on since Isreal is being so kind as to play the game the way her enemies want it played

Let them fight it out on their own.
No help to either side militarily or material.

We go in and help out when its over and look like the good guys either way.

 I'll also say this, when the U.S. turns it's back on an ally in need I will be ashamed to be an American.

And the day The US acts in the intrests of a minor ally over our own.
I will be ashamed to be an American.
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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2006, 09:12:24 PM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Because we have already said we will not tolerate nations who support terrorism. We've already been pressuring Syria to stop supporting terrorists. Telling them to stop while standing idly by as they support terroists who attack an ally leaves us looking like the proverbial toothless tiger. Same goes for Iran. The ONLY thing they respect is getting their tulips whipped. If that's what they want, stand off and smoke their tulips with air power and cruise missiles until they just can't take it any more.


I'm afraid that Ahmadinejad isn't any smarter than Hussein. Israel and/or the US might bomb them into submission but how long did that last with Saddam?

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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2006, 09:13:56 PM »
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Because we have already said we will not tolerate nations who support terrorism. We've already been pressuring Syria to stop supporting terrorists. Telling them to stop while standing idly by as they support terroists who attack an ally leaves us looking like the proverbial toothless tiger. Same goes for Iran. The ONLY thing they respect is getting their tulips whipped. If that's what they want, stand off and smoke their tulips with air power and cruise missiles until they just can't take it any more.


then Fine. If we go after Syria,lebanon or whoever because they support terrorism Im down with that.

but not just to support Isreal over the kidnapping of soldiers.

which is why Isreal went in and attacked

Soldiers are a legitimate military target. As such should not be viewed as an act of terrorism
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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2006, 09:14:16 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
that is an Arab saying.
And exactly what I beleive Isreals enemies are counting on since Isreal is being so kind as to play the game the way her enemies want it played

Let them fight it out on their own.
No help to either side militarily or material.

We go in and help out when its over and look like the good guys either way.

 I'll also say this, when the U.S. turns it's back on an ally in need I will be ashamed to be an American.

And the day The US acts in the intrests of a minor ally over our own.
I will be ashamed to be an American.
We stand nothing to gain in this


What would you have them do? Stand there and watch their citizens and troops attacked and taken hostage?

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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2006, 09:20:17 PM »
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What would you have them do? Stand there and watch their citizens and troops attacked and taken hostage?


Im not saying Isreal is wrong for what its doing. Though I do beleive  it is doing EXACTLY what her enemies want her to do and are counting on her to do.

I do beleive Isreal is going overboard and the end result could be disasterous for her.

What I AM saying is we should not get involved with it militarily as it does not serve our national interests
And OUR national interests MUST come before any alliance
Particularly a minor one
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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2006, 09:24:02 PM »
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then Fine. If we go after Syria,lebanon or whoever because they support terrorism Im down with that.

but not just to support Isreal over the kidnapping of soldiers.

which is why Isreal went in and attacked

Soldiers are a legitimate military target. As such should not be viewed as an act of terrorism


Terrorists, those who do not wear uniforms or other markings identifying them as military personnel in uniform in the service of a country, are NOT LEGAL military personnel. As such, terrorists have no legitimate targets, as they are not a legitimate force, under ANY part of international law. So, if the PLA, PLO, Hezbollah, Hamas, or Islamic Jihad, make incursions into a sovereign nation, and of course as terrorists are not wearing military uniforms of a sovereign nation, they have no legal standing, and cannot claim ANYONE, regardless of their status as military or civilian, is a legitimate target. If Syria allows these operations to base themselves on soil Syria controls, they are supporting terrorism, because NONE of those groups has ANY status as a legal standing military force of a sovereign nation.

So, I guess you're "down with that" in reference to Israel's completely valid claim that they were invaded by a terrorist force making an illegal incursion, and that those terrorists are guilty of the terrorist act of kidnapping. And Syria, controlling the soil where these groups are based, is guilty of supporting terrorism.
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« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2006, 09:25:38 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Im not saying Isreal is wrong for what its doing. Though I do beleive  it is doing EXACTLY what her enemies want her to do and are counting on her to do.

I do beleive Isreal is going overboard and the end result could be disasterous for her.

What I AM saying is we should not get involved with it militarily as it does not serve our national interests
And OUR national interests MUST come before any alliance
Particularly a minor one


There comes a time when the only way to stop a bully from picking on you is to beat the living s*** of him. Israel may be having it's buttons pushed but the outcome may not be as the button pushers expect.

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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2006, 09:29:08 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
that is an Arab saying.
And exactly what I beleive Isreals enemies are counting on since Isreal is being so kind as to play the game the way her enemies want it played

Let them fight it out on their own.
No help to either side militarily or material.


 LOL, I don't give a crap if it's an arabic saying; what the hell does that matter? We are at war with radical muslim terrorists & the syrians,iranians, & palestinians are radical muslim terrorists or supporters of same.

"then Fine. If we go after Syria,lebanon or whoever because they support terrorism Im down with that. but not just to support Isreal over the kidnapping of soldiers. which is why Isreal went in and attacked Soldiers are a legitimate military target. As such should not be viewed as an act of terrorism"

 That's not exactly accurate Dred. The Terrorists have been attacking Israel for years, just because it was three soldiers that were kidnapped (not counting all the ones killed in just the last terrorist raid out of lebanon) doesn't make Israel any less attacked. By that logic Israel shouldn't retaliate because their soldiers are legit military targets. What about the civilians that have been being killed in Israel?

 You say you think Iran is sucking Israel into a conflict? I think you have it backwards bro. ;)

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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2006, 09:41:55 PM »
I fully suppor Israel going to war over this.


I do not support the US helping for any reason. If They can't handle it solo they should not have gone solo.



We are already fighter terror on two fronts with two few troops.

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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2006, 09:44:05 PM »
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I fully suppor Israel going to war over this.


I do not support the US helping for any reason. If They can't handle it solo they should not have gone solo.



We are already fighter terror on two fronts with two few troops.


Who attacked whom? You make it sound like Israel started this?

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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2006, 09:50:42 PM »
Have you bothered to read this thread?


This isn't the first post.  Try from the beginning, things may make more sense.

Read from the left to the right.

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two rather intersting takes by U.s soldiers on this
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2006, 09:53:13 PM »
From milblogs:


In my view, Iran and Syria are engaged in "all out war" although the form is currently asymmetric war by proxy.

Since the goals for Iran and Syria include the complete destruction of Israel and, at least, the neutering of the United States, I consider them to be seeking "total" victory. I would argue that this includes the removal of any restraint on their ability pursue their national or extranational interests (perhaps in re-establishing the Caliphate?).

And, though their approach is not masses of tanks and waves of aircraft, they are fighting on their schedule and within their capabilities. They are subordinating everything to the war effort. Thus, it is, in my view, "total war." It is not being fought like previous wars. It is being fought on several fronts.

Iran is "continuing politics by other means" through its surrogate actions. Walid Phares has identified four goals Iran wants to gain through this current effort at misdirection (or a feint?):

1. Iran is concerned about the nuclear crisis and wants to deflate the issue away.
2. Syria is concerned about the Hariri murder investigation and wishes to postpone its results.
3. Hizbollah is concerned about the call for disarming its militias and therefore decided to flare up the conflict with Israel.
4. Finally, Hamas was sinking in crisis with Mahmoud Abbas and Fatah. Thus a Jihad against Israel was the solution.
But these concerns are but a small part of the larger war which includes support of terrorists, Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and pieces of the Iraqi "insurgency."

In addition to the attacks on civilians and other indices of total war, the war continues with propaganda, perhaps including tripe like this which asks one part of the Iranian goal, "Imagine a world without Israel."

If your goal is total destruction of another state and you have announced that goal and taken steps to make it come true, then it smells like "all out war" to me. "Death to the United States" is a goal, not just a chant.

What is currently happening may be just a skirmish or it may be the beginning of a bigger battle. But it is part of a larger whole. An "all out" war, in my view.


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Think the US would ever respond as forcefully to the kidnapping of American soldiers?

I doubt we'll see all-out war here, or any significant escalation (beyond whatever level Israel decides to take this) at all. Israeli/Arab wars are generally named by the number of days it takes the Israelis to win, and its neighbors are well aware of that. They switched tactics to prolonged terrorism years ago for just that reason. As for the Persians, while the Mullahs may be mad, they don't want the outright whup-a they know Israel would inflict upon them.

There's been discussion as to how this might impact the situation in Iraq. It will be interesting to see whether the non-Iraqi "insurgents" elect to stay fighting the Crusader or if they head for the hills (of Lebanon or elsewhere) for the latest round of war against the Jew. My guess is they will go with whichever they perceive as the softer opponent, while simultaneously declaring it the greater threat in order to save face. (For the record, I expect that will be us.)

And while many refer to Israel's "two-front war", apparently it's lost on one and all that it is the Jihaddis who are now facing a three-front (Israel-Iraq-Afghanistan) shooting war (albeit low-intensity) against the Crusaders and Jews.

But if their own publications are to be believed, this is exactly the "Savagery" the terrorists want. Those same manuals also indicate that "escalation" will come in the form of more terrorist attacks in locations removed from those current hot spots. It only takes a handful of goons to achieve that.

But all-out war between Israel, Iran, Syria, and whoever? Fugadabowdit.
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