Author Topic: Atomic Bomb dropped on Hiroshima (Read 4102 times)

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #15 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:57:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
You want to start stammering about civilians being killed......WW2 killed over 30 million of them.

absolutely No, but it also dont change anything for what this bombs are made.

Toad · « **Reply #16 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:18:00 PM »

It may be the bombs were made for ending that war and preventing any other world wars.

Hmmmmmmmmm.... could be they worked then.

Chairboy · « **Reply #17 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:29:28 PM »

Lesse, number of world wars since 1945.....

Yep, atomic deterrence seems to be working. There have been skirmishes, but nothing like the unfettered bloodshed of WWI and WWII.

Yeager · « **Reply #18 on:** August 06, 2006, 02:21:42 PM »

what are bombs for but to destroy stuff and kill people?

Also, Atomic bombs could be used to divert the path of an incoming asteroid hellbent on destroying earth, so there

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #19 on:** August 06, 2006, 02:29:42 PM »

could be they worked?

watch the daily news, we are far more closer to use this weapon again
then before.
This days we have discussions here about civilians got hit (ie: Lebanon/Israel).
Now i'm ask why do they dont drop the Bomb over Lebanon,
of course they would hit civilians too, but mainly they would destroy the enemy.
Thats Hiroshima ? right.

Maverick · « **Reply #20 on:** August 06, 2006, 02:31:02 PM »

As has already been stated in total war the goal is to destroy the enemy, their military, their means and resources needed to sustain conflict to include the population that helps sustain the war effort.

Much of the Japanese production was decentralized in an attempt to maintain production in the face of factory destruction. They were pretty darn successful at it too. That is one of the reasons for the incendiary bombing of population centers innitiated by LeMay. Those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are no more dead than those who died in the firebombing of Tokyo, where more in fact died in one raid than in Horoshima.

Debonair · « **Reply #21 on:** August 06, 2006, 03:21:21 PM »

japan was worse, they tried to bomb the trees in Oregon.
thank maya we were the 1st the set them up the bomb

Mini D · « **Reply #22 on:** August 06, 2006, 03:22:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
watch the daily news...[/url]

Problem #1

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we are far more closer to use this weapon again
then before.
What do you base this on? Daily news?

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This days we have discussions here about civilians got hit (ie: Lebanon/Israel).
Now i'm ask why do they dont drop the Bomb over Lebanon,
of course they would hit civilians too, but mainly they would destroy the enemy.
Thats Hiroshima ? right.
Problem #2.

Did you actually compare hiroshima to lebanon? I cannot believe you did that. I cannot believe you are this obtuse.

Nobody is selling the atomic bomb as a cure-all war ender. You cannot, however, deny that it ended the war with Japan. It did it in a matter of days. Do you think the war was destined to end then anyways? Did these bombs accomplish their goals by completely eliminating the enemy?

Japan had nowhere else to go, they were backed into a corner and they weren't giving up. There were other options, but none that involved fewer civilian casualties. To this day, people see hiroshima and nagasaki as being more devistating than the fire bombings of tokyo... numbers be dammed. The fire bombings in tokyo claimed more lives, more property and caused more destruction... and did nothing to end the war. What was the difference between the fire bombings and the two atomic bombs?

Bronk · « **Reply #23 on:** August 06, 2006, 04:44:54 PM »

Considering Japan was arming all citizens to fight (albeit with sharpened stick)..... How many lives were actually saved by dropping the atomic bombs.
By some estimates as many as 10 million Japanese casualties, if the US had invaded the mainland. Probably most would be those civilians with the sticks.

Bronk

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2006, 04:57:32 PM »

..how many lives saved... estimates.... if's....

Bronk, this is all based on what, your imagination?
sorry to say but this leads to nowhere.

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #25 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:08:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
What was the difference between the fire bombings and the two atomic bombs?

Two of the prominent critics of the bombings were Albert Einstein and Leo Szilard,
who had together spurred the first bomb research in 1939 with a jointly written
letter to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Szilard, who had gone on afterwards to
play a major role in the Manhattan Project, argued: "If the Germans had dropped
atomic bombs on cities instead of us, we would have defined the dropping of atomic
bombs on cities as a war crime, and we would have sentenced the Germans who were
guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them."

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:08:58 PM »

A "civilian" with a stick used as a weapon is a combant.

Bronk · « **Reply #27 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:13:38 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
A "civilian" with a stick used as a weapon is a combant.

I agree.

Bronk

Bronk · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:16:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
Two of the prominent critics of the bombings were Albert Einstein and Leo Szilard,
who had together spurred the first bomb research in 1939 with a jointly written
letter to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Szilard, who had gone on afterwards to
play a major role in the Manhattan Project, argued: "If the Germans had dropped
atomic bombs on cities instead of us, we would have defined the dropping of atomic
bombs on cities as a war crime, and we would have sentenced the Germans who were
guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them."

Now lets apply your argument here .

What if ... imagination.

Yea that works well.

Bronk

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:18:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Now lets apply your argument here .

What if ... imagination.

Yea that works well.

Bronk

sorry, but we didnt drop the bomb.