Author Topic: Bf-109E vs. Spit I (Read 2083 times)

Schatzi · « **Reply #60 on:** August 26, 2006, 10:58:14 PM »

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Originally posted by zorstorer
I'll have to climb back into the ride for a few weeks to knock the rust off.

My current ride in the MA is a 190F8 or A8. The crazy part is having flown the mk1 for that long straight helped me quite a bit when moving over to the 190 8 series aircraft. Have no idea why as they don't do anything the same well.

I seem to recall that you beat me up pretty good when we could fight 1 on 1 up near A3 on some map, was a blast to try to find eachother on private text

Really looking forward to another BoB Would like to have one running alot but then we might burn out on it so it's ok that we don't get a BoB all the time

Hey, just holler if you catch me online. Im always willing to hop into a HMk1 for some 1 vs 1... Ill help that rust off allright!

PS: The HMK1 in Main Arena is a GREAT teacher of SA, gunnery, defensive/"Low E" fighting and patience. Its useful for ANY advanced fighting.

zorstorer · « **Reply #61 on:** August 26, 2006, 11:03:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Schatzi
Hey, just holler if you catch me online. Im always willing to hop into a HMk1 for some 1 vs 1... Ill help that rust off allright!

PS: The HMK1 in Main Arena is a GREAT teacher of SA, gunnery, defensive/"Low E" fighting and patience. Its useful for ANY advanced fighting.

I will have to do that

Plus about the mk1 helping, I fully agree with that, but the odd thing is it seems like any other plane I try after the hurri mk1 just seems so different as to be foreign to me. Though it might be that I liked the 190 8 series before/while I was flying the hurri mk1....dunno

Schatzi · « **Reply #62 on:** August 26, 2006, 11:11:37 PM »

Yeah... once you hopped in the HMk1... youre done. It seems like the rest of the planset just cant hold up to it. I mean, yes, the "better rides" are faster, have better guns, get better K/D in the long run... but if s**t hits the fan... i STILL prefer to be im my trusty, old HMk1. Can you spell *addict*?

Reynolds · « **Reply #63 on:** August 27, 2006, 02:43:36 AM »

Oh yeah? Well, the HMK1 cant out-slow the 109E, can it?!? Just a few minutes ago I was chasing a nikki who cut his engine so I would overshoot, and I STILL went slower than him!

Angus · « **Reply #64 on:** August 27, 2006, 03:58:38 AM »

A well flown HurryI is a thorn in any 109E's side.

LOL, I remember jostling with Shane, and getting him mad at me
(Me in HurryI, he is 109E)

Reynolds · « **Reply #65 on:** August 27, 2006, 04:01:42 AM »

You know what I love about the 109? I can turn with a spit, climb with anything els('cept the other 109s), and if my shots connect right, i am theoretically shooting 40mm gun, because there are two 20s. I cant wait until BoB.

Schatzi · « **Reply #66 on:** August 27, 2006, 04:04:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
Oh yeah? Well, the HMK1 cant out-slow the 109E, can it?!? Just a few minutes ago I was chasing a nikki who cut his engine so I would overshoot, and I STILL went slower than him!

The Hurri looses speed (E) a LOT easier then the 109. It also has the lower stall speed and a better stability at that speed.

If the LW pilot gets it slow with the Hurri, hes dead.

The 109 needs to outacellerate the Hurr. Play the energy game

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Angus · « **Reply #67 on:** August 27, 2006, 04:57:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
You know what I love about the 109? I can turn with a spit, climb with anything els('cept the other 109s), and if my shots connect right, i am theoretically shooting 40mm gun, because there are two 20s. I cant wait until BoB.

Nope.

With Similar power it cannot. Generally it cannot.
But the limb is very good. Watch out for Spits there though

In the RL of 1943 or so. when Spit VIII and IX were around, as well as boosted up, the 109's had trouble with the climb. In a banking climb they could not climb with Spits. (corkscrew climb was used as an evasive tactic)

I can test this with you in AH if you like.

Reynolds · « **Reply #68 on:** August 27, 2006, 05:43:08 AM »

Now, the 109 that couldnt climb with the spits. This was just the Emil right? The newer models could correct? And in-game i only just discovered tonight that my stall limiter was ON!!! I dont know how it happened, but anyway, I have not had any trouble following aircraft through maneuvers these last few days. I stuck with the spits in their turns, and when they clmibed to evade, I releived them of a wing. I think the E is really the best, because you cannot rely on speed. You have to REALLY know your aircraft. But I have never been able to turn inside a spit XVI before, AND kill it without stalling. I think one thing that helps though, is I started flying in real life the same time I started with the Emil, so it may not be the plane, but my own real life inderstanding of the way things work. (On a side note, im really happy because I completed my first landing today without an instructor correcting me!) But, about your whole point in climbing, I dont mean i can stick with a prolonged climb. I KNOW I cant do THAT in an Emil. Thats why as soon as they climb, I oull into them and take my shot. I have only missed twice that I can think of in the last 3 days. (This doesnt mean only two shells missed, it means that while the trigger was depressed, vital parts were removed from said aircraft). And only one of the kill shots that hit didnt actually kill. That one was interesting, because I hit his wing (His screen said I hit his port wing root, my screen says I hit his starboard tip) he was a P-51D. I stuck with the climb, and I only died because he stalled first, and kicked out flaps one notch, I slammed the trigger and clipped him, and then I flew right into him. But, basically, a very shortened version of all of that, although the 109E Has a lot of severe disadvantages, but I feel it is the perfect aircraft to learn in, because there is no one thing in that plane you can rely on. You need to be able to manipulate everything simultaniously to acheive an objective. And once you are proficient in this, it is one lethal son-of-a-b**ch. You need to pick your targets wisely, and you normally only get one chance, but I think it is the most lethal plane in the game. Or, as Furball so elequently put it:.....................

thrila · « **Reply #69 on:** August 27, 2006, 05:47:56 AM »

I love the hurri mk.I i prefer it over the spit mk.I. I had a blast in the last BoB scenario. It's a shame i've had to unsubscribe, BoB is always a favourite of mine.

Angus · « **Reply #70 on:** August 27, 2006, 06:02:40 AM »

"Now, the 109 that couldnt climb with the spits. This was just the Emil right? The newer models could correct? "

Both yes and no. So close you could say it was a draw. 109 Zooms better Spit climbs better under bank. Spit with same power output climbs better.
109F vs Spit V, - not so sure. 109 probably holds the cards.

109 loses the cards at high altitude in 1942 (Spit IX with the Merlin 61 enters), and at low to medium when the Brits started charging the turbos and boosting up.
A Spit VIII with tropical outfit would in RL beat a 109G (mid-war common type) to 20k by some minute. (the 109G data I have is taken 1944).

So, in short, no special edge on climb.
in turn, 109 has no edge.
In the real life 109 pilots were advised to try to catch the spits in a climbchase and getting suckered into a turnfight.
The 109 had the edge on the speed, zoom, and dive, so B&Z was the better way.

Reynolds · « **Reply #71 on:** August 27, 2006, 06:08:48 PM »

Got it.

Angus · « **Reply #72 on:** August 28, 2006, 03:29:43 AM »

Hey Reynolds,- the registration for the BoB scenario is now open!!!

Reynolds · « **Reply #73 on:** August 28, 2006, 04:37:49 AM »

Thanks, I was the second to register! Im trying to get the rest of my squad in as well.

Angus · « **Reply #74 on:** August 28, 2006, 04:40:57 AM »

Arwww, looking forward for this. Was twice in the BoB, once RAF, once LW and it was a blast. Shaky hands and all!
And some fine pilots we have there.
Can't wait to sing my .303's into the LW platings