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« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2006, 08:37:11 PM »
What about a 'Predator' type alien, who's interest in Earth was purely recreational, he came here to hunt.
No interest in destroying the planet, or obtaining food or minerals, merely a challenging safari destination for the discerning interstellar outdoorsman.
Most definately could be clased as hostile though. (To mankind at least, probably a great 'Saviour from the Sky' for several species mankind's activities are pushing to the brink of extinction.

The movies were average at best, but I find the basic concept to be a very interesting one.

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« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2006, 08:38:46 PM »
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What about a 'Predator' type alien, who's interest in Earth was purely recreational, he came here to hunt.
No interest in destroying the planet, or obtaining food or minerals, merely a challenging safari destination for the discerning interstellar outdoorsman.
Most definately could be clased as hostile though. (To mankind at least, probably a great 'Saviour from the Sky' for several species mankind's activities are pushing to the brink of extinction.

The movies were average at best, but I find the basic concept to be a very interesting one.


I loved how they writers connected the predators with the aliens. I thought it was a great idea brought out in a crappy movie. Would have been better in a book.
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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2006, 12:59:36 AM »
Chair Id think eventually you would accerlate beyond the speed it would take to perform the conversion and start colliding.

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« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2006, 01:08:42 AM »
The faster you go, the more fuel you get, the more the thrust.  At some point, you probably re-shape the magnetic field to be narrower and to give you just enough fuel to overcome friction while serving as a shield to keep the rest of the monatomic hydrogen away from your hull.
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Re: The possibility of aliens
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2006, 01:34:23 AM »
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Lets say for a moment that extraterrestial aliens exist.  Its likely that they do, simply due to the massive amount of planets in the universe.  Now lets say that these aliens eventually make contact with Earth.

Its most likely that aliens would be hostile. For two reasons, the need for resources, and self preservation. Earth is very valuable due to our moderate temperature ranges.  Though the aliens would likely have very advanced technology, it would still require a tremendous amount of energy to heat or cool a planet to acceptable temperatures.  The aliens would most likely be heterotrophic, meaning they eat other organisms (like we do).  So for their own preservation, and the cultivation of food, they would need a planet like ours.

On Earth, whenever one organism invades the territory and resources of another, violence usually arrupts.  We see this happening with exotic species.  But we can also look at humans.  We are a sort of 'advanced alien' compared to other animals.  We exploit animals that are usefull to us, and we kill those that are not.

I believe the US Airforce ran an exercise in the 90s that simulated an alien contact.

So what are your opinions on alien contact?


Wow, what an entirely invalid thread...  Its all based on VERY Earth-centric assumptions (Human-centric really).  Lets break it down for the garbage it really is...

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Its most likely that aliens would be hostile. For two reasons, the need for resources, and self preservation. Earth is very valuable due to our moderate temperature ranges.


No...  You believe they would be hostile because that is the image you believe.  When was the last time you were savagely attacked by a butterfly?  There are all manner of creatures right here on earth that prove you wrong and as we move out into the cosmos, there are likely a lot more.

Why do you assume they need resources?  And why do you assume earth is valuable to them?  Oh... Because it is valuable to YOU... I think most spacefaring species would find Jupiter a lot for valuable... Great source of fuels... Or Saturn... Or Neptune..  Earth is a freakin rock home boy, space is littered with rocks.  Get over yourself.

Moderate temperatures?  Come now.   Again Moderate to YOU!  We have organisms right here on Earth that can survive climates you can't even imagine from frigid cold to furnace heat.  Why assume that Aliens like 70 degrees Fahrenheit just like you?

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Though the aliens would likely have very advanced technology, it would still require a tremendous amount of energy to heat or cool a planet to acceptable temperatures.


Back the truck up home boy... Didn't you just say they liked our 'moderate temperatures'?  Why do they need to heat it or cool it (assuming we are sticking with your human-centric space termites).  You just said it was paradise.  If they wanted hotter they could have gone to Venus... If they wanted colder, then Mars or Pluto.

See how silly you are?

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The aliens would most likely be heterotrophic, meaning they eat other organisms (like we do).  So for their own preservation, and the cultivation of food, they would need a planet like ours.


Really?  Suppose they were like apes (pretty human like) apes only like veggies and fruit... not meat...  You're projecting your self-image onto the aliens... well, i've got news for you... The aliens think you suck... They don't want to be like you.  They probably eat grass and leaves.  :aok

Just kidding.  Look at all the species around you that dont eat meat.  How can you make this assumption with a straight face?

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On Earth, whenever one organism invades the territory and resources of another, violence usually arrupts.


You answered that one all on your own... ON EARTH.  You don't know squad about Alpha Centuri-5.

Discussion closed.  All of you humans sleep tight.  My kind won't be coming to eat you any time soon, you taste way too much like dolphin... We prefer strawberries.
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Re: Re: The possibility of aliens
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2006, 01:47:42 AM »
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No...  You believe they would be hostile because that is the image you believe.  When was the last time you were savagely attacked by a butterfly?  


Of all the species on Earth, only one is known to be capable of the most basic space flight.  And it ain't butterflys, it's one of the warlike ones.

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Really?  Suppose they were like apes (pretty human like) apes only like veggies and fruit... not meat...  You're projecting your self-image onto the aliens... well, i've got news for you... The aliens think you suck... They don't want to be like you.  They probably eat grass and leaves.  :aok

Just kidding.  Look at all the species around you that dont eat meat.  How can you make this assumption with a straight face? <<<...edit...>>> We prefer strawberries.
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Re: Re: Re: The possibility of aliens
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2006, 01:57:22 AM »
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Of all the species on Earth, only one is known to be capable of the most basic space flight.  And it ain't butterflys, it's one of the warlike ones.



Yeah, On Earth.... You see the point yet?  We aint talking about Earth and none of the stuff you believe plays on this stage.

You don't know squat, I don't know squat...  They could be energy beings that are only interested in solar radiation.  You just don't know.

Applying human needs and values to extraterrestrials is just narrowminded and absurd.

More importantly this whole discussion is SO Earth centric that it entirely skips the notion that humans are so far beneath the understandings or cares of these creatures that they could exterminate us accidentally the same way we step on ants.

Or that humans could be a virus to them... Nothing more than a health concern that they have vaccinations for... If you want to attack this whole notion you have to be ready to accept the fact that you could just be a germ.

We kill virus by the billions daily... not out of malice.
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« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2006, 02:01:22 AM »
So you're admitting defeat on the whole strawberries - organism thing?
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« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2006, 02:02:06 AM »
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So you're admitting defeat on the whole strawberries - organism thing?


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« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2006, 03:05:15 AM »
I'm not applying just 'human-needs' to the hypothetical aliens.  I'm applying the needs to maintain life.

Kurt, the larger the organism, the more complex it is, and the less tolerance it has to extreme temperatures.  For example, extremophile archae bacteria can live in 212 celsius water.  But name a large organism that can.  Same for colder temps.

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« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2006, 04:36:46 AM »
I saw something weird one time out walking the dog in a cornfield.  Suburban area outside Montgomery back in 75 - 76.  First it looked like someone dropping a match from about 30 feet away amongst the cornstalks.  Then about 5 minutes later there was a bright star looking object over the field.  It was close enough to where I was scared and hit the deck...even held the dog down.  It approached and I shined a flashlight at it and yelled and it stopped and rapidly moved away and then went up into the night sky and into space.  Watched it for 20 minutes and it turned red and then looked like any other star.

What do you suppose that was?





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« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2006, 04:54:06 AM »
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« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2006, 05:03:57 AM »
Oh well.  No, wasn't drinking.  Had smoked a J tho.  If that was a hallucination, it was the only one of its kind I've ever had.  Someone else was with me and they saw it too.  Though it's probably not worth bothering with trying to prove seeing something like that, just take my word for it, that's what I saw and how I remember it.  As to what it was, who knows?:D





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« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2006, 08:44:34 AM »
Why cant an alien race of hot space college babes come here to earth to learn how to love
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« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2006, 09:49:23 AM »
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What do you suppose that was?
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No other object has been more misidentified as a flying saucer than the planet Venus.

Even the former leader of your United States of America, James Earl Carter Junior, thought he saw a UFO once. But it's been proven he only saw the planet Venus.

Venus was at its peak brilliance late night. You probably thought you saw something up in the sky other than Venus, but I assure you, it was Venus.  Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception, yet you somehow brazenly declare that seeing is believing!

Your scientific illiteracy makes me shudder, and I wouldn't flaunt your ignorance by telling anyone that you saw anything last night other than the planet Venus. Because if you do, you're a dead man.
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