Remove drones from bombers

[Krusty]

Hey JRCrow that's a nice webpage, and I'd love to see more pics of that B17 (see if it's worth skinning for AH), but I've heard from more than one source that bomber gunners grossly over-claimed. It's not intentional, they just thought they killed a lot more than they did. Heck there was one report saying that the DB600 series engines on the 110s and 109s belched out a big cloud of smoke when the throttle was jammed forward (they used gas made from coal, you see), so after they'd make a firing run they'd gun the throttle and get out from behind the bomber fast. Bomber gunners often mistook this for engine damage. I've heard this second hand quoted from a book, so I can't back it up. But there may be many reasons to claim so many fighter kills. The real numbers don't seem to be  *that* high.

[JRCrow]

Originally posted by Krusty
Hey JRCrow that's a nice webpage, and I'd love to see more pics of that B17 (see if it's worth skinning for AH), but I've heard from more than one source that bomber gunners grossly over-claimed. It's not intentional, they just thought they killed a lot more than they did. Heck there was one report saying that the DB600 series engines on the 110s and 109s belched out a big cloud of smoke when the throttle was jammed forward (they used gas made from coal, you see), so after they'd make a firing run they'd gun the throttle and get out from behind the bomber fast. Bomber gunners often mistook this for engine damage. I've heard this second hand quoted from a book, so I can't back it up. But there may be many reasons to claim so many fighter kills. The real numbers don't seem to be  *that* high.

    Yea, those fly boys love to brag, I am sure there was lots of inflated stats by lots of people in the coflict.  Thats pretty cool info on the 110s.  There are tons of conflicting stories about the bomber flights what they did and didn't do.  The war was so big and lasted so long so many things happened, I think you could spen and entire life time researching all the things that happened and never see it all.  Pretty wild.  I am still amazed at the boldness of those who participated in it.  Just imagine being a waist gunner exposed to the elements with a dangeling 50 cal taking pot shots at fighters in the 20k enviroment as they zip bye (if they are smart).

[Nifty]

Krusty, does this mean you're going to ask your Ju88 pilots to back off of the throttle in the BoB scenario?  

[Krusty]

I have... different plans in mind (*mona lisa smile*)

[Stoney74]

The book "Wings of Gold" stated that U.S. Navy and Marine Corps pilots made claims of kills that were approximately 1/3rd higher than actual.  The author based this from comparing U.S. claims to the reported Japanese losses.  I would think among tightly packed bombers that if one fighter went down, the tendency for the multiple gunners that would have been shooting at it to all think "they" killed it, would tend to inflate the statistics by an even higher factor.  Might be interesting to see if someone has made some similar comparison for ETO.

[Shevy]

I have to agree with you Stephen, it's easy to wastr a formation of bombers all by yourself if you take the time to make the right attack.  

Bombers without drones would be boring for both the bomber pilot and the attacking fighter.

[SKDenny]

Originally posted by Krusty
Neg filth I'm going to wait til the tour changes to better track kills/deaths.

C202 is a nice little bird. My only claim to fame is landing 10 kills in one (reloading once) in FT, mixing it up in furballs.

Sounds like fighter town is where you belong Krusty
Bomber bullets disappear at 1100, wings come off at IAS 315
Drones get lost in most sharp turns, and fighters shoot me down more than I kill them
Get a life
SKDenny  SkyKnight Bomber Group

[SKDenny]

Originally posted by hitech
Krusty you might wish to check our plane charts, no way a b24 does 350 mph at 15k its top speed is 275 at 15k

B24

HiTech

AMEN Brother
SKDenny