Author Topic: Country Folk vs City Slickers (Read 828 times)

Regurge · « **on:** November 09, 2000, 06:38:00 PM »

The national map follows pretty much the same trends except for good ol' Texas. Regardless of the current election i think we'll see Gore or possibly Hillary in the White House in 2004. That is unless someone manages to clone Reagan.

Whaddyall Texans think about becoming a separate republic again? We'd have plenty of gas and AH

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Hamish · « **Reply #1 on:** November 09, 2000, 06:46:00 PM »

LOL! that'd almost get me to immigrate to the republic of Texas!

Hamish!

Toad · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2000, 07:42:00 PM »

This trend furthers my personal belief that came up in other threads, like the "Don't HO" thread.

I think the people that live in higher population density areas feel a greater need to make their neighbors conform to a "standard". This fits in with the large government, "mother knows best", "we'll tell you what's good for you" Gore-type (notice I said "type") proposals.

Other people put greater value on individual freedoms and rights. I believe that the more rural, less densely populated areas match this mind set pretty closely. It's closer to a "Bush-type" agenda.

The voting map nationwide seems to support my personally held opinion.

YMMV.

Snoopi · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2000, 10:57:00 PM »

How about the idea that the university educated and business people in the cities voted for Gore and the Red-necks who married their cousin and watch Jerry Springer voted for Bush ?

Who would vote for someone who didn't get a job 'til he was 40 ? (as I understand it)

HEEEHEEEEEEE

<After dropping 5hit disturber bomb Snoopi pulls up and waits for the explosion>

No, I don't believe the stereotypes just trying to start a "discussion".

Nash · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2000, 11:13:00 PM »

I think that's fair game Snoop - Toad brought it up. There's no doubt that there's a clear difference of opinion held by the rural and urban population. Toad gave his view, you gave yours. I happen to think there's alot of variables...and both of those views fall within' them.

Snoopi · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2000, 12:22:00 AM »

I agree Nash.
You sound like you think the way I REALLY do.
I just usually like taking the contradictory side for the sake of arguement.

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Jochen · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2000, 05:05:00 AM »

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I think the people that live in higher population density areas feel a greater need to make their neighbors conform to a "standard". This fits in with the large government, "mother knows best", "we'll tell you what's good for you" Gore-type (notice I said "type") proposals.

Other people put greater value on individual freedoms and rights. I believe that the more rural, less densely populated areas match this mind set pretty closely. It's closer to a "Bush-type" agenda.

Excactly the opposite is true here in Finland:

In countryside everyone knows their neighbours and rumors start to run wild very fast about peoples. Folks that do not conform to majority do get in trouble. I know, I have lived 20 years in small village of 3500 peoples.

In cities it is different. Folks are more free to do what they want and live their lives like they want, without pressure from their neighbours. I know this also, I have lived in nice sized cities for 7 years.

Then there is also recent study that says better educated people move to cities after better jobs. I believe this trend is apparent in other countries also. This has been apparent in recent Finnish elections, one candidate gets huge percentage of their votes from countryside but almost none from cities.

My personal opinion is that city folks are usually better educated (high pay jobs are in cities in Finland) and they place more value for individiality and freedom.

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Toad · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2000, 05:10:00 AM »

Without addressing your totally unsupported assumption that urban areas contain more university educated/business people (well, I guess the crack dealers in downtown Detroit ARE businessmen and everyone in the NYC metroplex has a University degree

) as a percentage of the population than do rural areas.....

You are then making the case that University/business people somehow have better/more worthy life values than those who are in business for themselves or did not attend university?

Gunthr · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2000, 06:08:00 AM »

LOL Toad... I agree.

Jochen:
In the USA, large cities are surrounded by vast seas of suburbia. The trend is for people to move OUT of the cities if they can, to the wealthier middle class neighborhoods... in contrast to Finland I would guess. The inner-cities are left with disadvantaged people who don't have the wherewithall to get out, and rely on the government for assistance. That is why American cities are liberal and democratic. The more advantaged and educated people are in the suburban sprawl between large cities.

Jochen · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2000, 09:12:00 AM »

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You are then making the case that University/business people somehow have better/more worthy life values than those who are in business for themselves or did not attend university?

No, they are just different.

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In the USA, large cities are surrounded by vast seas of suburbia. The trend is for people to move OUT of the cities if they can, to the wealthier middle class neighborhoods... in contrast to Finland I would guess. The inner-cities are left with disadvantaged people who don't have the wherewithall to get out, and rely on the government for assistance. That is why American cities are liberal and democratic. The more advantaged and educated people are in the suburban sprawl between large cities.

In Finland city centers are very wanted places to live and apartments in those areas are very expensive. Of course many live in suburbs near the cities too. I think city centers in Finland appears to be much more pleasant places than in US, maybe because even our largest cities are much smaller (Helsinki 500k, Tampere 200k, Turku 200k people).

I'm not sure about US but in Finland there is forming a definite split between rural and city areas. Cities draw people with higher education (naturally, industries are located near large cities) and other people are left in rural areas. This is also apparent in average wealth. Rural areas need much support from urban areas which is implemented by redirecting tax money.

This split is clear in all kind of elections. Greens and liberals tend to have more support in cities than they do in countryside, maybe because city people don't rely on government support as folks in rural areas.

Here is clip from Finland's largest newspaper:
http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/uutisarkisto/19980201/erik/980201er00.html

For those who are language challenged, they basically say that folks who has education and jobs are moving to cities of south and west coast of finland while those without job or in pension are left in other parts of finland.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2000, 09:42:00 AM »

Bottom line IMO is, the inner cities of America is where you have a larger population of minorities, and minorities benefit more from the Democratic platform than they do from the republican platform, thus, the larger votes in the inner cities for Gore.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2000, 10:16:00 AM »

Dudes,

Everybody benifits in an urban envirement from a democratic socioty. If you are unsocialized like a wild dog or something then you couldn't exist in a large city. I have never understood why people brag about their inability to be around other people. Has this become a bragging right?
As far as minorities are concerned I think they feel safer in an urban envirement because it is harder to be dragged behind a pickup truck with many people around.
And BTW small towns are by no means safe or free of scandall. Many serial killers have done quite well in small towns across the USA, Mostly White males. Really the biggest problem with people from small towns in lack of perspective. They have no real idea what life is like for minorities or people living in different countries, cities ext. but casting judgement on these people or places is pratically a past time. It is also the birthplace of many hate groups. The bottom line is that not all people in big cities like one another but we are not so foolish as to believe one or the other is more entitled to be there. People in small towns are very aware of who deserves to be on THIER land because they deserve it and they are REAL Americans. Forgetting that the real Americans were murdered so they could be there.

Perspective from your liberal friend
F4UDOA

Eagler · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2000, 10:19:00 AM »

Doesn't hold water,

Tampa (Hillsborough County) voted for Bush.

TWICE!!

Eagler

Eagler · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2000, 10:22:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Bottom line IMO is, the inner cities of America is where you have a larger population of minorities, and minorities benefit more from the Democratic platform than they do from the republican platform, thus, the larger votes in the inner cities for Gore.

Exactly Rip ! Also you said that in a very politically correct manner

Eagler

Snoopi · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2000, 10:39:00 AM »

Toad: Nope not really saying anything in regards to business people(any.. not just university educated) or University educated people.
I was just throwing out the stereotype idea that people in the city are educated, and driving the economy, while the country folk are red-neck, uneducated, ignorant hicks who need farm handouts.
I DON'T believe that stereotype.
I was just trying to create some "discussion" and it seems to have done that. People don't seem to get into discussing things unless someone has a very opposite point of view.

In truth, I think the difference is that the people in the rural areas are not exposed to the need to get along with other people.
It is hard to have empathy or respect for other people, especially if they are "different", when you are not exposed to them and live an "insulated" life. Your neighbour could be 1 mile away.
This creates a "if you don't like it..%$#%$ you"..attitude.
Stereotypes, Racism etc. are increased by lack of exposure to people outside your "group".

Bush is perceived as right wing.
Gore is the moderate.

That is why I think the Gore/Bush split is the way it is demographics wise.

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