P-47 vs P-51 Rear Canopy views

[Stoney74]

Can someone explain to me why the Pony D has such a better rear view than the P-47 bubble tops.  In the pony, I can make the armor plate practically disappear in the view, while in the jug, it covers almost half the screen, even when I move all the way to one side.  I thought they basically used the same armor plate and canopy?

[bkbandit]

fly corsair then complain about the rear view in the jug:lol , aint nothin wrong with it and i find it pretty much the same between the 2. IF ur complaining because u cant see the entire screen behind u then the p51 has spoiled u.

[Wolfala]

U adjusting yr views with the Up, Down, Left, Right, Pg Up, Pg Down?

Jug and Pony have the same sightlines.

[Furball]

what about typhoon, why does the typh's and tempest rear view suck so much.

the p47 canopy was lifted off a typh wasnt it?

[Reynolds]

Furbie, you spoiled typhie jock! Just fly the TBM, your lethal enough with that!

[Stoney74]

Let me refine my question.  Yes I know how to move around in the views, and yes I know you can't see crap behind a corsair.

Back to my question--and you make a good point about the Typh and Tempest.  They all used the same canopy if I understand it correctly.  So why does the Pony D have such a great view behind it, and the other planes using the same armor plate and same canopy have such a worse view?

[Krusty]

You can't compare new Generation 3 models with old Generation 1 models (specifically the typh).

I only have 2 points. 1) The P47 rear view isn't that bad. 2) In AH2, they just are different. It doesn't matter why. However, they are only slightly different.

[Stoney74]

Well Krusty,

I guess what I was looking for was someone that knew to say that "the fuelage of the P-47 sat higher than the Pony, so the view out the back is not as good" or " The configuration of the armor plate in the Pony was set up different than the P-47"--you know something like that.  Most of the things in this game that are different have a reason--I was just curious.

I guess if no one knows, then my question as you alluded is irrelevant.

I make do just fine, just wanting to know if there was a historical/technical type answer.  Not complaining or anything.

[Krusty]

Well if you think about it the P51 had a narrow fuselage, but the P47 had a huge honking round cross-section. I think that would cut into your lower/rear views big time.

[Stoney74]

I'll buy that...

Thanks

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Furball
what about typhoon, why does the typh's and tempest rear view suck so much.

the p47 canopy was lifted off a typh wasnt it?

Ummm....er....NO

[Furball]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Ummm....er....NO

cant remember where i read it so i am probably wrong.

same thing applies though.  RL spit 16 bubble canopy gives a great rearwards view, so why are the typh and tempest crippled?

* All the P-47s produced to this time had the razorback canopy configuration, which was a source of complaints as it left pilots with poor visibility in the vital "6:00" position to the rear. The British also had this problem with their fighter aircraft, and had devised the bulged "Malcolm hood" canopy for the Spitfire as an initial solution. This was field-fitted to many North American P-51 Mustangs and, it seems, to a handful of P-47Ds.

However, the British then came up with a much better solution, devising an all-round vision "bubble" canopy for the Hawker Tempest. USAAF officials liked the bubble canopy, and quickly adapted it to American fighters, including the P-51 and the Thunderbolt. The initial P-47 with a bubble canopy was completed in the summer of 1943. It was modified from the last production P-47D-5, and was designated "XP-47K". Another older P-47D had been modified to provide an internal fuel capacity of 1,402 liters (370 US gallons) and given the designation "XP-47L". The bubble top and increased fuel capacity were then rolled into production together, resulting in the "P-47D-25".
 

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avp47.html

just found this, was it just inspired by the british design?

The Typhoon was the first operational fighter to be fitted with a bubble canopy.

[Furball]

google search found this: -

Details of the bubble canopy and the sliding mechanism. Republic based it's construction on that used on the British Hawker Typhoon fighter.

http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1999/01/stuff_eng_detail_p47.htm

Republic XP-47K [42-8702]

XP-47K 1943 = P-47D fitted with experimental bubble canopy from a Hawker Typhoon. POP: 1 [42-8702] as prototype P-47D-25.

http://aerofiles.com/_repub.html

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_10.html

One P-47D was taken from the line and modified to reduce the height of the rear fuselage, and to replace the framed aft-sliding cockpit canopy by an all-round vision bubble canopy as used on the Hawker Typhoon. Designated XP-47K, this aircraft was tested extensively in July 1943, the improved visibility being acclaimed by all the pilots who flew it, and resulting in immediate adoption of the modification on production aircraft. At a slightly later stage a small dorsal fin was added to P-47Ds to offset the loss of keel surface which resulted from this change in configuration. Other changes in the later production aircraft included the introduction of the R-2800-63 engine and a paddle- blade propeller, and provision for a total internal plus external fuel capacity of 715 US gallons (2706 litres) to provide a maximum range of 1,800 miles (2897 km) under optimum conditions.

http://www.century-of-flight.freeola.com/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Republic%20Thunderbolt.htm

[Angus]

Interesting!.
I'll give you some sources later on about the Spifire bubbletop.
What I have is a rarity and I must dash for a cowjob, bt I'll have it posted tonight or tomorrow

Nice inputs there Furbie and Guppy

[SELECTOR]

maybe the answer is "the programmers are just fumbleing in the dark"