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« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2006, 11:56:51 AM »
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As Iraq becomes a safe democracy and the US mission succeeds, perhapse you will be judged by what you have done, which is nothing.

What has your country done for world peace?


Ad Hominem Tu Quoque argumentation won’t work on me. Sorry.

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« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2006, 02:02:56 PM »
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Hans Blix held a news conference stating that the weapons inspectors had nearly finished the job in Iraq...That in weeks,not months,the inspections would be done.


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How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks?  While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant.  Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions.  It would not take years, nor weeks, but months.  Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever.  However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.
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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2006, 03:52:18 PM »
Saddam repeatedly obstructed the UN weapons inspectors after the cessation of hostilities in Gulf War 1. Saddam had them removed from his country at least twice. Saddam had at least 2 agents feeding the US false intell. Certain chemical munitions, pre-cursors and non-weaponized chemical agents have never been verified as being destroyed nor have they been found.

It has been noted after the cessation of hostilities with the Iraqi military in Gulf War 2 that Saddam was trying to keep the core of his WMD programs intact by not letting key scientists leave the country.

(iirc) There are satellite photo's of a truck convoy leaving Iraq and entering Syria just prior to the US invasion, but I suppose those trucks had no cargo on board. :rolleyes: What that cargo was we will probably never know.

Prior to the US announcing invasion plans the majority of the world thought Iraq still had WMD. It wasnt until the invasion was announced that countries that had a vested interest in Iraq via the oil for food scandal or legitimate economic ties started screaming that Saddam's WMD had already been destroyed.

US companies that were involved in the oil for food scandal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law imo, but most will likely get off scot-free.

The UN passed resolutions that Iraq never fully complied with. If Iraq had complied there would have been no need for UN mandated economic sanctions. If the UN had been prepared to enforce those resolutions with force, there would have been no need for the US and it's coalition of the willing to invade.

Bush declared war on terrorism, not just on Al-Qaeada, a fact most here seem to forget. Iraq was supporting terrorists. At least 2 terrorist training camps were found in Iraq. Saddam gave medical aid to terrorists and paid the families of suicide bombers $25,000. After watching an airliner hit the WTC and seeing both towers collapse, Iraq's support of terrorism is good enough reason for me for the invasion of Iraq.
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« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2006, 05:22:29 PM »
Elfie, again no corroborating information is presented. Care to back up your opinions?

Truck convoy leaving Iraq for Syria? I bet you there were hundreds of trucks traveling between Iraq and Syria. That's what we call "trade". Let's just say that your intelligence people have shown us pictures of trucks before. We were less than impressed with the results.

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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2006, 05:25:22 PM »
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It would not take years, nor weeks, but months.


You couldn't wait a few months?

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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2006, 05:28:48 PM »
I was pointing out an error in the previous post.
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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2006, 05:31:13 PM »
I see.

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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2006, 05:38:31 PM »
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Your hindsight was Europe’s (minus Bush’s lapdog) foresight. Nice of you to finally see reality for what it is.


Are Spain, Poland, Italy, Ukraine, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Norway, Portugal, and the Netherlands (among others) included in your list of 'Lapdogs'?

I like pointing out things.
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2006, 05:47:17 PM »
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Elfie, again no corroborating information is presented. Care to back up your opinions?

Truck convoy leaving Iraq for Syria? I bet you there were hundreds of trucks traveling between Iraq and Syria. That's what we call "trade". Let's just say that your intelligence people have shown us pictures of trucks before. We were less than impressed with the results.


I have posted links before in threads just like this. You can do some searches and find them. :)

I only see one statement that I posted that was just opinion.

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US companies that were involved in the oil for food scandal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law imo, but most will likely get off scot-free.


The rest is based off of what I read from links posted here, read from links during my own research, saw on the news, saw during one of Bush's addesses to the nation.

There should be plenty of links from previous threads on this subject, you are more than capable of doing your own searches GScholz, you dont need me to do them for you. :)
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« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2006, 05:54:59 PM »
Unless you corroborate your statements with verifiable facts, they are just that – opinions.

I think you got me confused with someone else. I am not GScholz.

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« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2006, 06:20:31 PM »
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Unless you corroborate your statements with verifiable facts, they are just that � opinions.

I think you got me confused with someone else. I am not GScholz.


Like I said, you are just as capable of doing searches on this BBS as I am for the links, stop being lazy.

My statements have been corroborated previously on this BBS, I dont feel a need to corroborate them again. :)

Have a nice day GScholz. :)
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« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2006, 06:22:02 PM »
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uuuhhh... was there any controversy over liberating Kuwait?


Yeah there was tons of controversy, all of it from Antartica......dont you remember that? :D
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« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2006, 06:59:27 PM »
I’m not going to do your work for you Elfie. I’d rather just dismiss your statements. :)

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« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2006, 07:02:04 PM »
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I�m not going to do your work for you Elfie. I�d rather just dismiss your statements. :)


I've already done the work previously, no need to do it again when you could do a few simple searches here. If you are dismissing my statements this easily, you would dismiss them even if I found links again. :)
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« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2006, 07:15:20 PM »
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I think it's funny.

Bush never said that Saddam was linked with Al Qaeda. In fact, he even said that there was no link... several times.

You get your brain washed often?


Only by the facts..

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The president answered:"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."


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