Author Topic: Your Tax Dollars At Work  (Read 270 times)

Offline Toad

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« on: September 19, 2006, 09:55:28 PM »
What a waste!

Why they even picked that airplane I'll will never understand.

IF McPeak wanted a macho acro airplane he could have bought them a Pitts or an Extra and saved megabucks considering what they ended up spending.
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2006, 11:41:28 PM »
They did the same thing in the 80s with the jeeps.

If there's a safety question, they'll destroy it and sell the scrap.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 05:37:40 AM »
I know why the plane was picked, and it was a good reason.  It was just the execution of the purchase that got porked.

At the time, the USAF was facing a pilot drawdown and wanted to turn the flight indoctrination program into a flight SCREENING program.  Basically they still had thousands of potential pilot candidates, needed to reduce pilot production, and also wanted to reduce the pilot training washout rate.  The proposed solution?  Use a pilot screening program at the USAF Academy and Hondo to not only provide flight indoctrination to pilot training candidates, but also increase the difficulty to help screen out students who might wash out later after the USAF had expended a lot more money on their training.

So that 30+ million spent on those planes *should* have come back many times over in a lower washout rate.  Unfortunately, the new trainers were essentially deathtraps.  A ground test found that the engine quit "only" once every hundred hours during benign ground runs...  That's a horrible failure rate, approximately 100 times the expected mishap rate of a front line fighter.  It still would have been "worth it" in the long run, except the manufacturer never did figure out why they couldn't keep the dang engine running.  Tards.

Anyhow, that's the why behind this fiasco.  It was a good reason IMHO (remember I flew both the F-15E and T-37 as a primary training instructor) but the execution of the good idea failed miserably.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 06:35:26 AM »
The theory behind the program was fine. Their choice of aircraft sucked. Crap, they could have gotten Extras or Sukois for that price and Pitts for probably a lot less.

Those are aircraft that actually work right off the shelf.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 06:40:53 AM »
Heh... Toad you of all people should know that "off the shelf" is never good enough for the military :)  It's gotta meet a bazillion mil-spec requirements or it'll never get purchased.  One reason why the BAE Hawk hasn't seen wider adoption in the US training fleet...  By the time they got through with it, it was cheaper to just keep rebuilding the T-38.

Even the T-6, arguably a very nice plane to begin with, got a thorough redesign before winning the jpats competition.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 09:40:04 AM »
The fact that they didn't strip the A/C first is beyond me.  If anything that might be something for the US Fraud Waste and Abuse hotline.  But of course lawyers run things now and the USAF is more worried about getting sued by somone than recouping some of the $32 million tax dollars.  What a fricken waste.

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Now that I think about it we had about a dozen of those just sitting at edwards in a hangor collecting dust.  I think about half of them had USAFA tail markings.