Author Topic: U.S. Army 2nd Lieut. Emily Perez (Read 886 times)

Yeager · « **on:** September 29, 2006, 01:16:32 PM »

Here is the story of the death of another US Soldier in Iraq

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1540856,00.html?cnn=yes

My brother keeps talking to me about "sunk cost" in Iraq. "Sunk Cost" being that point at which you no longer reap a benifit from the expense.

When I read this story it occured to me again, have we reached the point of sunk cost in Iraq? Are we wasting our time and the best of our youth or do we press forward with renewed focus and determination?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:20:20 PM »

librule!

Nilsen · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:23:58 PM »

I suppose that if you have put yourself firmly on one side of the fence in the matter then valid points can be made to support it whatever side it is. I doubt that story will change the minds of those that have it firmly made up.

Im not american so I dont have a say (read vote) in the matter so it really doesnt matter what I think.

If I did have a vote then you all know what id think anyway so ill save the bandwith for those who has a vote.

That was alot of words that basicly said nothing so my share of the worlds bandwith has been expended for tonight.

Have a nice day Mr. Internet.

Yeager · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:35:11 PM »

Whats done is done, we are flowing down this river. Whether we eventually manage to sustain some sense of democracy in Iraq or pullout completely by 09. The one thing that still puzzles me to this day is why Hussein wasn't a more powerful force of good for all of Iraq rather than just being a grand thug. He could have done so much good for all Iraq yet he subjugated, starved, gassed and enslaved so many millions of his own people. He could have moderated and eventually become like Jordan, Egypt....or are the Iraqis a special breed of arabs, not capable of living in peace? or is it the religion of Islam, as believed in by the masses of Iraqis, that is causing such gross volumes of blood letting? Granted the 140,000 US military personel being square in the middle of Iraq is now fully recognised as a more provocative presence than a stabilizing one, even if they were withdrawn today, does anyone honestly think the violance would subside, let alone end?

Eagler · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:58:06 PM »

because he was a monster, an insane monster with insane sons running the show which needed to go
every loss of life is terrible. a cop and his k-9 were shot 20 miles up the road yesterday. I am sure his family and friends are just as sad as the soldiers in your story. should they not confront criminals on the highway anymore cause it is dangerous/deadly? should they stop pulling over cars for fear one might be a cheekbones and the animal start shooting?
There is not any choice but to stay the course in Iraq least the cheekboness there declare a victory which would over shadow the heezob celebration dances in the ruins of Lebanon. To think/act otherwise will lead to our demise, guaranteed

Nilsen · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:02:24 PM »

If America left it would explode into full civil war.

The problem is that this will happen whenever America leaves. I belive that staying will only delay the inevetable bloodbath. I seriously doubt that the Iraqi security forces can be trained and equipped to an even higher standard than the US and British troops that are having problems keeping the peace as it is.
If the Iraqi security forces had the support of the entire population they would have a chanse, but they dont.

If the current government gets too strong and well equipped then you risk having replaced one oppressive leadership with another, only this time with American training and equipment at its hands.

Iraq needs to shape its own destiny from within.

Eagler · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:17:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Iraq needs to shape its own destiny from within.

don't you think that is what is happening now?

Nilsen · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:38:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
don't you think that is what is happening now?

In a way it is, but with outside forces trying to control what is happening and who is supported.

john9001 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:46:04 PM »

retreat..retreat...teh enemy has won ...all our bases is belong to aly kadabra

ramzey · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2006, 03:36:01 PM »

Freedom requires sacrifice

Nilsen · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2006, 03:47:18 PM »

Indeed Ramzey.

Should not those who wants the freedom then go and get it? Should others decide what kind of freedom you get and how to get it?

Would it be proper for any nation.. (lets say France for the fun of it) decide Americas freedom and who controls it, or should americans decide thru a process from within her own borders?

JB88 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2006, 03:52:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
don't you think that is what is happening now?

how did we become such a proud nation?

we kicked out the oppressive "regime"

by doing it "for" them we have allowed them to put the responsibility in our hands rather than thiers.

Charon · « **Reply #12 on:** September 29, 2006, 03:56:18 PM »

I have no doubt that the Bush daughters, Jenna and Barbara, will soon be stepping up to the plate in uniform to help shoulder the burden and sacrifices (such as the one made by this fine young woman and her family), just as their poppa has asked on numerous times of the rest of the country in this proclaimed equivalent to WW2.

No folks, we can’t appease and win this struggle, and apparently we cannot shop our way out of it either at this point (as was requested post 9/11) -- we must stay the course. IMO that requires activating the draft, and not continuing this BS backdoor draft of the active and reserve components through stoploss, etc. and multiple semi-annual tours.

Nope, a real Uncle Sam Needs You with no deferments for college or marriage type of draft. No easy out with the Guard or Reserves this time either, given their active involvement. If this is WW3, and a just cause, then we need the man and womanpower to see it through. If not, WTF are we bothering?

Charon

fd ski · « **Reply #13 on:** September 29, 2006, 04:16:34 PM »

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he one thing that still puzzles me to this day is why Hussein wasn't a more powerful force of good for all of Iraq rather than just being a grand thug. He could have done so much good for all Iraq yet he subjugated, starved, gassed and enslaved so many millions of his own people.

Because as sad as it is, his methods are the only thing those people respect.

No "freedom/respect/rigths etc" works in ME. Bigger gun and less scruples works every time.

That's why W's plan for "democracy in the ME" was always just a pipe dream. Those people see our values as a sign of weakness.

Nilsen · « **Reply #14 on:** September 29, 2006, 04:42:45 PM »

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Originally posted by fd ski
Because as sad as it is, his methods are the only thing those people respect.

No "freedom/respect/rigths etc" works in ME. Bigger gun and less scruples works every time.

That's why W's plan for "democracy in the ME" was always just a pipe dream. Those people see our values as a sign of weakness.

I think its more like the system they know rather than respect. Sure.. some of them and mainly the men i guess have some strong religious opinion that dictates what sort of rule they want. If they had known and been acustomed to real "freedom" and democracy then things had been different. If you push it on them they will behave just like a kid that is forced to do something. He may want to deep down but doesnt do it just because it forced on him.