Author Topic: Why I care about religion (Read 8404 times)

storch · « **Reply #75 on:** October 05, 2006, 07:33:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
While all this may well be true make Islam straight up illegal, because its members, representative or not of the majority, have already done far more than any other single group to undermine and compromise that very same Judeo-Christian power structure.

there is no need to persecute anyone, least of all moslems. islam's brightest possible future is right here in America. that's why their "leaders" hate us so much. they recognize the potential for American culture to undermine their agenda for creating a world caliphite. that is why we must be inclusive especially with moslems. scrutinized closely islam and America is really a nice fit especially with liberals. I'll eloborate please bear with me.

moslems like to dress in flowing robes and wear sandals. liberals like to wear dresses irrespective of gender.

regarding tolerance, with both liberals and moslems it's "my way or the highway" moslems would make great congressional representatives and even senators from any "blue" state. in time they would become so embroilled with "issues" and securing their "rights"that they would forget all about explosive harnesses and 72 virgins. they would need backup of course which would increase immigration from the middle east, further draining the manpower over there so we could steamroll them in "da hood" with much less effort.

moslems can't have sex with women prior to marriage but sex with adolescent boys is perfectly acceptable, in fact encouraged. wouldn't you know it, just like in the "blue" states!! if a moslem woman is caught having premarital sex she is stoned. liberal women also have to be stoned when having sex, look at who they must have as partners.

there is enough commonality here to solve two problems.

1. there is the pressing problem that militant islam represents. the solution is Americanization (it always is, take note euros).

2. it gives the liberals a whole new group to fret and fawn over. now I ask you, could anything be more perfect?

-tronski- · « **Reply #76 on:** October 05, 2006, 07:35:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Engine
I feel pity for Atheists. When I ask people how they know God exists, I get very different answers. The ones like "I see God all around me" or "Do you believe the beauty of the universe could have happened without God?"... I just discard those. But, at least people with religion can look me in the eye and say they know God exists - they've touched God, or felt God, or whatever.

Atheists can't ever prove non-existence, but cling to their atheism anyway despite how empty the premise is.

I'm glad for Atheists, because they seperate themselves from us Agnostics and emphasize how rational Agnostics are. Thanks!

As an Atheist I always find it fairly amusing how a theist always insists Atheists have to "prove" the non-existance of god(s)...I've always thought religious people (even Agnostics - who lets face it are a little too chicken to make a decision on the subject...and I should know I'm married to one) had to have "faith" in or believe in the existance of a higher power(s).

The burdon of "proof" is always on the believer...

Tronsky

Neubob · « **Reply #77 on:** October 05, 2006, 07:41:58 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
there is no need to persecute anyone, least of all moslems. islam's brightest possible future is right here in America. that's why their "leaders" hate us so much. they recognize the potential for American culture to undermine their agenda for creating a world caliphite. that is why we must be inclusive especially with moslems. scrutinized closely islam and America is really a nice fit especially with liberals. I'll eloborate please bear with me.

moslems like to dress in flowing robes and wear sandals. liberals like to wear dresses irrespective of gender.

regarding tolerance, with both liberals and moslems it's "my way or the highway" moslems would make great congressional representatives and even senators from any "blue" state. in time they would become so embroilled with "issues" and securing their "rights"that they would forget all about explosive harnesses and 72 virgins. they would need backup of course which would increase immigration from the middle east, further draining the manpower over there so we could steamroll them in "da hood" with much less effort.

moslems can't have sex with women prior to marriage but sex with adolescent boys is perfectly acceptable, in fact encouraged. wouldn't you know it, just like in the "blue" states!! if a moslem woman is caught having premarital sex she is stoned. liberal women also have to be stoned when having sex, look at who they must have as partners.

there is enough commonality here to solve two problems.

1. there is the pressing problem that militant islam represents. the solution is Americanization (it always is, take note euros).

2. it gives the liberals a whole new group to fret and fawn over. now I ask you, could anything be more perfect?

I was trying to pose an absurd parallel, Storch. I don't think they should be persecuted here either. Not so much because I care about them, but because when one group is systematically marginalized, it's a slippery slope to more universal persecution. I'm not a Muslim, nor an Athiest(another silly agnostic), but I know that I'm also not that far down the line as far as people that may be stepped on by the government.

lazs2 · « **Reply #78 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:40:56 AM »

chair... any unconstitutional law is just that. You praise halo when I have said exactly the same thing... you must believe in something in order to live some kind of moral life... call it love of your family and fellow man.. that can be your god. That is a power that is all encompassing but can not be measured. it is god. In that you can trust... or "in god we trust" pretty simple really.

What you do is demonize religion and try to take any reference to god from our government... I want a government that has a god... something that is moral.

Now... moral... that is often defined by the people in the country... it is unconstitutional in my opinion to make drugs illegal or to have seat belt laws and a miriad of other things including most gun laws but...

These are not the work of people who believe in "god" per se.

the athiest religion is a very tiny fraction of the population but I bet they are just as prone as anyone else to make moral laws... asking for "god" to be removed is a good example... they do it on "moral" grounds... they are offended and they feel.... most of them.. that religion is the root of all evil.

They are just as bad or worse than the worst snake hanling fundamenatlist as far as my life is concerned... I like reference to god in my government... I think that a government that thinks it is god is far worse.

As for the athiest not being able to hold office... that is illegal in my opinion but.... geeze... look at all the violations of the constitution we all live under.

lazs

Engine · « **Reply #79 on:** October 05, 2006, 09:55:03 AM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
As an Atheist I always find it fairly amusing how a theist always insists Atheists have to "prove" the non-existance of god(s)...I've always thought religious people (even Agnostics - who lets face it are a little too chicken to make a decision on the subject...and I should know I'm married to one) had to have "faith" in or believe in the existance of a higher power(s).

The burdon of "proof" is always on the believer...

Tronsky

I'm not a theist, that's why I'm an agnostic. The difference between myself and an atheist is that I don't flatter myself by presuming to make a decision on something I can't possibly know.

Making a decision on something so important without evidence one way or the other is a bit foolish, no?

lukster · « **Reply #80 on:** October 05, 2006, 10:09:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Engine
I'm not a theist, that's why I'm an agnostic. The difference between myself and an atheist is that I don't flatter myself by presuming to make a decision on something I can't possibly know.

Making a decision on something so important without evidence one way or the other is a bit foolish, no?

Oh I don't know. You don't know you'll live to see the sun rise tomorrow but I bet you make provision for it.

-tronski- · « **Reply #81 on:** October 05, 2006, 10:11:50 AM »

Well in my case the absence of evidence makes it easy...

Tronsky

Chairboy · « **Reply #82 on:** October 05, 2006, 10:13:12 AM »

Engine, what's your stance on the Easter Bunny? How about Santa Claus?

But that's not really even the point, despite the best efforts of the threadjackers. The point of my original message was to draw attention to the systematic, unconstitutional discrimination against atheists that so many people in our country (represented very highly here) tacitly approve of. Look at Eagler, he sees no problem whatsoever with keeping atheists out of office. For every reasonable lukster, wrag, and Laz in public, theres a few Eaglers.

If you aren't willing to protect this part of the constitution, how strong is the rest of the document? Is our commitment to our country limited to flying a flag on the 4th of July? Or do we really believe in the principles on which this nation was founded?

Engine · « **Reply #83 on:** October 05, 2006, 10:51:32 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
Oh I don't know. You don't know you'll live to see the sun rise tomorrow but I bet you make provision for it.

Certainly do. It's a fairly safe bet, since it's risen every day of our lives. That's something you have evidence for, whereas with God you have no evidence.

Chairboy: Very, very, very unlikely the Easter Bunny exists. It's fairly safe to say the Easter Bunny doesn't exist, as a rational adult. However, I wouldn't go ahead and make it part of my deepest core religious belief system, like atheists do with God.

I think you're being a bit alarmist. I strongly doubt atheists will ever be rounded up in concentration camps in the US, but I do agree that it would be extremely un-American to limit the rights of Atheists based on their (lack of) religious beliefs.

Chairboy · « **Reply #84 on:** October 05, 2006, 11:23:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Engine
I think you're being a bit alarmist. I strongly doubt atheists will ever be rounded up in concentration camps in the US, but I do agree that it would be extremely un-American to limit the rights of Atheists based on their (lack of) religious beliefs.

You might be right about the first part, but you've made a slight mistake on the second one: It's not that it WOULD be unamerican (implying "if it were to happen"), its "IS" unamerican, and IS happening right now.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #85 on:** October 05, 2006, 11:37:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
our laws and rule of government are based off the belief in the Divine..
if you do not share that belief are you qualified for the job of public office to represent a huge majority of ppl who do believe?
IMO no

oh yeah .. now who is doing the:
"...it's ok to pigeonhole them "?

I served as a decorated public servant, never was my opinion asked, nobody cared because I was doing a good job. Although everyone at my dept knew, I refused to swear in "so help me god" and was always read an alternative admonishment in court... I was in court a-lot too, every DA, judge and lawyer knew.

Nobody ever said 1 word to me about it because it just didn't matter.

Religion is an opinion, to bar people from jobs because they have a different opinion is a bad thing... all you need to know is if they can do the job.

Engine · « **Reply #86 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:14:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
our laws and rule of government are based off the belief in the Divine..
if you do not share that belief are you qualified for the job of public office to represent a huge majority of ppl who do believe?
IMO no

oh yeah .. now who is doing the:
"...it's ok to pigeonhole them "?

A majority of people in the US are white (or is it Latino yet? Seriously, I'm wondering). Does that mean black people are not qualified for public office?

Dug yourself deep.

cav58d · « **Reply #87 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:21:01 PM »

Do atheist hate Bill Clinton? After being caught cheating on the first lady in the oval office, President Clinton said to the world, "This is between myself, my family and MY GOD"........So do you have the same anamocity towards him as you do towards the rest of us?

Chairboy · « **Reply #88 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:24:08 PM »

meh, cav, I've seen better bait.

lukster · « **Reply #89 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:24:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Engine
Certainly do. It's a fairly safe bet, since it's risen every day of our lives. That's something you have evidence for, whereas with God you have no evidence.

Chairboy: Very, very, very unlikely the Easter Bunny exists. It's fairly safe to say the Easter Bunny doesn't exist, as a rational adult. However, I wouldn't go ahead and make it part of my deepest core religious belief system, like atheists do with God.

I think you're being a bit alarmist. I strongly doubt atheists will ever be rounded up in concentration camps in the US, but I do agree that it would be extremely un-American to limit the rights of Atheists based on their (lack of) religious beliefs.

Some (myself included) will argue that there is plenty of evidence to support belief in God.