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« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2006, 08:09:15 AM »
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I would be if I was ther target.


Exactly. A Turboprop means what? Oh, yes it's not supersonic.
It still is rather fast and can carry some really nasty stuff..
BTW, the Bear seems AFAIK to be a rather reliable bird.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2006, 10:24:13 PM »
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Russia is a shadow of the old Soviet Union.  Whos afraid of some old turbo-prop bombers?


The russian method was to build alot and hope to win a battle of attrition.

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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2006, 08:32:33 AM »
Guess what.
USS WASP is now visiting Iceland. Coincidense?
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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2006, 08:50:50 AM »
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Guess what.
USS WASP is now visiting Iceland. Coincidense?


Are they rounding up the sheep?

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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2006, 09:34:39 AM »
Doubt so, and they're not working for Clint Eastwood either. All the LVT's from him have left.
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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2006, 09:44:01 AM »
Well.. if they are not there for the sheep i would be very worried if i were you.

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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2006, 09:52:30 AM »
The Russians are no threat to Scandinavia, relax.

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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2006, 10:01:08 AM »
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our bombers are faster then there bombers :D

but there fighters are better:cry


Nope, it's the other way around. Russia has hundreds of bombers faster than US bombers, but the US has the best fighters (F-22). :)






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« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2006, 10:17:34 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2006, 10:41:06 AM »
That's probably the slowest bomber in service. What's your point?

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« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2006, 10:45:41 AM »
Faster ain't always better.

Can't touch this

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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2006, 10:49:30 AM »
Viking, if you can't see it, you can't kill it.

Having the fastest fighters means excellent protection....  against daytime attack.
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« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2006, 10:52:17 AM »
The thing I noticed FIRST is that while in the past the tailgunner was VERY careful to point his guns straight up, these guys are just letting the tailgun dangle out back.  This used to be a really big deal.

Maybe they don't believe we'd really shoot back anymore...
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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2006, 11:13:01 AM »
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Faster ain't always better.

Can't touch this


Ah, so your point is you are unable to comprehend that my post was in response to Raider14's. Ok, np. :)

In any case I'd take superior speed over superior stealth any day. Being faster than your enemy gives you the opportunity to escape if you're detected. A 50 year old fighter can kill the B-2 if it is spotted, and it is not so difficult to spot a stealth plane as some people would like you to believe. Stealth gives you more options, but there is still a lot of good planning required to successfully penetrate a modern air defense. A poorly planned stealth mission is a death sentence for the otherwise defenseless stealth planes, like the Serbs showed us.

The completely outdated Iraqi Mig-25's on the other hand attacked a flight of F-111's in broad daylight and were engaged by escorting F-15s. The F-15s fired all their BVR missiles in vain; the Migs were untouchable.

Like wise the Tu-22M and Tu-160 are faster than any currently operating western fighter (carrying a war load). The only possible exception is the F-22 which carries its missiles internally.

The oldest rule in the book: Speed is life. Unfortunately this rule seems lost on many.

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« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2006, 11:30:31 AM »
Uh, did you forget about SAMs? I think when it comes to speed they are multiple times faster.

You seem to revel in contention. You sure you aren't related to gscholz?