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Offline Urchin

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so long habeus corpus.
« Reply #210 on: October 21, 2006, 05:29:48 PM »
The good news is that if they wait a year or two, they'll have a nice template to follow.

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« Reply #211 on: October 21, 2006, 05:53:25 PM »
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The good news is that if they wait a year or two, they'll have a nice template to follow.


This may be news for you but the socialists have been whittling away at our liberties for decades.

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« Reply #212 on: October 21, 2006, 05:59:50 PM »
Is this a :noid moment?

OMG OMG TEH COMEES R COMIN!  

If "socialists" have been whittling away at our rights for "decades".. then those socialists are in the Republican party.  The Democrats have never had the power to force their "gay marriage, abortion on demand, gunsnatching, tax and spend, etc etc." "agenda" on the American people.

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« Reply #213 on: October 21, 2006, 08:32:23 PM »
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Is this a :noid moment?

OMG OMG TEH COMEES R COMIN!  

If "socialists" have been whittling away at our rights for "decades".. then those socialists are in the Republican party.  The Democrats have never had the power to force their "gay marriage, abortion on demand, gunsnatching, tax and spend, etc etc." "agenda" on the American people.


Most the things you speak of were done by their proxy, the Supreme Court
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Offline Urchin

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« Reply #214 on: October 21, 2006, 08:42:44 PM »
And that must be because so many of the justices were nominated by the "evil commees", right?

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thanks for the personal attack jb88
« Reply #215 on: October 22, 2006, 12:05:57 AM »
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or secretly overjoyed maybe?

don't play word games, say what you mean ...
If you are calling me a Nazi, you have not read my posts on various subjects on this board or are too thick to comprehend their meaning.
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« Reply #216 on: October 22, 2006, 12:11:24 AM »
Where is habeus corpus christi?
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« Reply #217 on: October 22, 2006, 12:33:25 AM »
lol, that was better than mine

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Re: thanks for the personal attack jb88
« Reply #218 on: October 22, 2006, 04:08:12 AM »
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don't play word games, say what you mean ...
If you are calling me a Nazi, you have not read my posts on various subjects on this board or are too thick to comprehend their meaning.


um.  

that's yer business, but i didn't take it there.
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« Reply #219 on: October 22, 2006, 09:11:11 AM »
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And that must be because so many of the justices were nominated by the "evil commees", right?


Indeed there were. Pay attention.

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« Reply #220 on: October 22, 2006, 09:24:26 AM »
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This may be news for you but the socialists have been whittling away at our liberties for decades.


Absolutely true.  But, you do realise that Republicans and especially the Bush administration are a bunch of socialists right?

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« Reply #221 on: October 22, 2006, 10:13:37 AM »
jb88...  you asked what we could do about it...

We have done nothing but vote our way into more of it.

I see the whole gun control thing as much more of a threat than how we treat foriegh combatants who are not really covered by international law.

I see nazi germany as the first big gun control nation and germany as socialism.   I see that happening here.

I find it odd that one or the other side only gets upset when the other side gets more power.

We should get upset no matter what side takes away our rights.

What am I gonna do about it?

Same thing I allways do....

NEVER vote for a democrat... no matter what he says...  he will vote socialist and sell you down the river.

NEVER vote for a new tax on anything that isn't fully dedicated and acounted for the task asked for.   no gas tax to go to the general fund for instance.

Never vote to ban anything that is maybe dangerous simply because it is said that it costs you money....  they will not give you the money and they will have to build more enforcement (more police and government and more and more and more)

Less government is the solution.... it is hard for me to believe that some here want to get rid of the abuses of government by making it richer and more powerful.

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« Reply #222 on: October 22, 2006, 11:14:33 AM »
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if you don't know the difference, no one will able to show it to you either ...


In the loop hole I provided, where your 'papers' are suspect and you can be locked up without due process until they decide your status, its that more like the USA, or Nazi Germany?

Another loop hole big enough to drive through; how many of you can "prove" you're a US citizen at any given time of the day? What standard of proof will the Gov use?, oh never mind.. whatever standard they want.

Even a regular old retired cop like me can see these mile wide loop hole in this law, but  clever DOJ / military lawyers will find dozens more you folks cant even imagine... and there's no way to petition the courts to challenge it.

Your right to challenge the Gov in court when locked up is what used to separate us from 1930s Germany... now we're one step close to yesteryear.

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« Reply #223 on: October 22, 2006, 11:28:45 AM »
and let me reiterate, to you who haven't yet seen the light and feel Bush can do no wrong...  Our next president will probably be a Democrat.  Bush and his lackeys have alienated (pun intended?) a lot of people and turned them again the GOP.  Some will vote L or another third party, some idiots who don't know there's more than two choices will vote D.  But a D will win.  Hillary, Barack or one of the others will be entrusted with the power to (appoint a tribunal who will) determine who is and who isn't an Unlawful Enemy Combatant, and hold people indefinately while the determination is made.

Think on that one for a while...

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« Reply #224 on: October 22, 2006, 11:48:01 AM »
Habeus Corpus has never in the history of the US applied to enemy combatants, legal or otherwise.  It is only at this time in history where the "loyal" opposition has decided that by pretending HC does include enemy combatants they have something with which to attack a sitting President at time of war.  

The new law is nothing but a reitteration of powers understood to belong to the President under his war powers given in the Constitution.  This law originated to prohibit US courts from inserting themselves into the conduct of the war, conduct which is clearly part of the Presidents powers, again as provided for in the Constitution.  

The courts have taken upon themselves, despite two hundred years of precident, the power to decide how enemy combatants are handled and has attempted  to provide them legal recourse through our own legal system.  The Congress has the Constitutional power to define the extent of the Court's power and is clearly attempting to stop the Court's attempt to take power clearly belonging to the President.  

Again, never in our history have we provided these rights to enemy combatants and at no time in history or in international law has there been any requirement to find enemy combatant's "guilty" of being enemy combatants in a court of law, nor has there ever been a restriction on how long these enemy combatants can be restrained other than until the war is over.

So, what are the real changes?  None.  The Congress is attempting to reassert the balance of powers as defined by the Constitution.  It is those that have decided that new "privledges and rights" should apply to those that in any other war would have been summarily executed as spies.

Those of you that think this is all about you and your rights need to put back on your aluminum foil hats and go back to looking for the Black helicopters that always seem to follow you.
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