Detention centers

[Suave]

The metaphors liberal and conservative in this context are buzzwords used by those who can't, or are unwilling to, communicate with clarity.

In the context we're talking about the term conservative means resistant to change, and adherent to traditional ways. Liberal means reformative or progressive.

Most often you will hear this word misused, either out of deciet or ignorance, by parties to label somebody who doesn't agree on some issue.

With regards to US citizens; anybody advocating something that isn't congruent with the constitutional guidelines is liberal on that particular subject. For example substance prohibition and adding "in god we trust" to the dollar are issues just as liberal as gun control or federal income tax is.

As far as conservativeness and liberalness, the republicans and democrats are pretty much equal.

[Ack-Ack]

The ultimate irony is that during Lincoln's day a Classic Liberal was a Republican.


ack-ack

[wrag]

Originally posted by Chairboy
According to this:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77&fark

Halliburton has just received a $365 million contract to build detention centers across the US.  As Fark quipped, "trust us, (they) will never ever be used to hold dissenting citizens."

If you're not concerned, y'all still aren't paying attention.  Even if you completely trust the current administration from the deepest parts of your heart and believe that they represent everything that's fantastic about trustworthiness, character, and unadulterated fantasticness, can you imagine how something like this might/will be abused by subsequent administrations?

What is the purpose of this, anyhow?  Also, even if you approve of it, how does this possibly jibe with the idea that the current administration represents smaller government?

Hmmm..........

Actually Chair, .. those things have been around for awhile now.  Looked at a few here and there.  They appear to be designed to keep people in not out.  IIRC there is one or two near Sacramento CA. and some others scattered here and there all through the western U.S.   Reports seem to indicate they are all over the U.S.  Was told at the time it was thought they were connected with FEMA?

Seems now their building more of em................

I don't trust our current Gov,  didn't trust Slik Willy n his crew, don't expect i'll trust our next gov either.

I tend to think this way...............

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.” —Albert Camus

"Dangerous laws created by well intentioned people today can be used by dangerous people with evil intentions tomorrow." - Alan Eppers

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." —Daniel Webster

sooooo...............  I don't trust em.

Wonder who will control em?

Maybe you should relax Chair?  These things may not be for you.  Might be where their gonna put the Christians?  You know the ones that are wired with bombs?  Wait.... that don't sound right?  Suicide is a big NO-NO with em so wirin themselves with bombs n goin boom is also a NO-NO?  Never mind.

[bj229r]

I spent 6 years traveling the country working on control systems in prisons for a company in Memphis--quit a couple years ago when my wife got cancer---there are maybe TEN companies in the whole country that are qualified to bid on a 1000+ bed prison (the one I worked for is going under) One of the last ones my company (it wasn't primary contractor, it only did electronics and detentions hardware) was in Lake Wales, FL--that place held 1200, cost about 70 million in 1990 dollars. Ive been to facilities in some 35 states, and the ones that are dedicated to US Marshals/ INS are ALWAYS filled to capacity. If you need SEVERAL such facilities built at once, Halliburton is gonna be the outfit to get it done

[Chairboy]

Well, I agreed with ya Wrag until you got all crazy like a hothouse rat in the last paragraph.

Storch, you stated two choices: 1. The government uses money it collects to build detention centers, or 2. The government just uses the money to get bigger.

I'd like to propose a 3rd choice: That the government not take that money in the first place.  Minimum services.  Smaller government.  No welfare state, either social or corporate.  The government is not a make-work organization, or at least it shouldn't be.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Hornet33
Oh if it's for illegal migrants I think $365 million will buy a whole lot of chain link fence, concertinia wire, and surplus Army tents don't you? Lot's of unused space out in New Mexico, and Arizona to build a tent city on.

boy this is sounding like a better Idea the further down the post that I read.

[Suave]

It's allways healthy when imprisoning people, and the infrastructure therein, is a growing contributor to a nation's economy.

[storch]

Chairboy I agree with you whole heartedly, that however is just not happening.   my pragmatic solution is keep paying my taxes and in turn take as much work from the cities, counties, state and feds as they are willing to give me.  it's a reciprocating economy the more the fed spends the more there is in the marketplace to go around and it does begin with uncle sugar, believe it.

[storch]

Originally posted by bj229r
I spent 6 years traveling the country working on control systems in prisons for a company in Memphis--quit a couple years ago when my wife got cancer---there are maybe TEN companies in the whole country that are qualified to bid on a 1000+ bed prison (the one I worked for is going under) One of the last ones my company (it wasn't primary contractor, it only did electronics and detentions hardware) was in Lake Wales, FL--that place held 1200, cost about 70 million in 1990 dollars. Ive been to facilities in some 35 states, and the ones that are dedicated to US Marshals/ INS are ALWAYS filled to capacity. If you need SEVERAL such facilities built at once, Halliburton is gonna be the outfit to get it done

 that's what these guys don't understand, also haliburton sub contracts alot of their work and when they do your money is in the bank within thirty days as opposed to waiting 45-90 days for the gubment.  haliburton does a great job at what they do.  some of you guys are hung up on what they get for the excellent services they provide as if it were your money being spent.

[Chairboy]

Storch, I respect that you have a difference in opinion, but it sounds like the old adage to the lady that she "might as well lay back and enjoy it".

[moot]

Hasn't this been covered a few times over already?

The laws, executors of the laws, and legislators directly responsible for writing them are, in majority, corrupt. Detention centers would compound the problem.  
Fixing what's broke comes first.

Unless those responsible for this thing are myopic, amnesiac, or stupid, addressing the problem at hand by complicating it proves their interests are elsewhere.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Storch, I respect that you have a difference in opinion, but it sounds like the old adage to the lady that she "might as well lay back and enjoy it".

As a previous user of some of Haliburton and KBRs services they are a primo govt contractor.  Very few company's in the world could do, let alone manage, what they do.

[storch]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
As a previous user of some of Haliburton and KBRs services they are a primo govt contractor.  Very few company's in the world could do, let alone manage, what they do.

they certainly are

[storch]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Storch, I respect that you have a difference in opinion, but it sounds like the old adage to the lady that she "might as well lay back and enjoy it".

chairboy, you don't think we shouldn't pay any taxes do you?  sure I would like to pay less taxes but I don't feel like I'm getting reamed.  if I compare what we pay for what we get in return in the form of our military, our interstate highway system, infrastructure etc, the services we provide for our elderly, our crippled, our idiots our indolents and our neighbors, we probably don't pay enough.  hell just ask any democrat, they'll all agree with that statement.  compared to other G8s we have the best ratio of taxes to services on earth.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, I agreed with ya Wrag until you got all crazy like a hothouse rat in the last paragraph.

Storch, you stated two choices: 1. The government uses money it collects to build detention centers, or 2. The government just uses the money to get bigger.

I'd like to propose a 3rd choice: That the government not take that money in the first place.  Minimum services.  Smaller government.  No welfare state, either social or corporate.  The government is not a make-work organization, or at least it shouldn't be.

Actually Chair....  that last paragraph in the post I made, IMHO, only takes into consideration your past post regarding Christians.  I SEEM to recall at one point the comparison of Christians to the violent portion of Islam.  Thought I'd put it in for you.  Have I somehow missunderstood your stance?  Please!!!!  If I have, If I lack understanding, correct me.

BTW I like and agree with your 3rd choice.  That would be my choice also.