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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #120 on: November 17, 2006, 08:37:51 PM »
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Once again, Isreal is an occupying force.  They are occupying arab land and strangling the palestinian people.  It is not terrorism to stand up and fight like a man.  Is it?






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« Reply #121 on: November 17, 2006, 08:43:56 PM »
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Well, at least you can spell Rush correctly. That's pretty much it though.

When you get past your fixation on Rush Limbaugh and heroin, let us know. At that point you might develop a coherent argument. But before you do anything else, read this: Saddam Hussein never sponsored terror?


http://theinsurgent.net/index.php?volnum=13.2&article=usterror

OK, good points.   I cant spell and you CAN do research.  go to the above link since you seem to be SHOCKED at state sponsered terroism exists.

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« Reply #122 on: November 17, 2006, 08:45:06 PM »
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Thats nice VOR.  You have inside info that even the CIA couldnt come up with, try as they might.


So is the CIA reliable now? Were they reliable back in the "Iraq has WMD" days? Which is it?

I'm satisfied with the fact that Saddam offered asylum to OBL. That makes him enough of an enemy and threat to put the dogs to him. Anyway, not trying to change your mind about anything. I'm just telling you what's on mine.

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« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2006, 08:47:12 PM »
Whitehawk: on second thought, after reading a few of your posts in this thread, nevermind. Have a nice day :)

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« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2006, 09:14:29 PM »
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well I don't remember being able to write in anything other than english but the post was pretty self explainatory.

Sadam not only tolerated terrorism he was a philanthrper (SP) of it.


I thought you were trying to potray some very very weak link between Saddam and Bin Laden....my bad.

So we are agreed that Saddam had no links to Bin Laden and AQ.

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« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2006, 09:55:43 PM »
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More Republican mantra from a repfanboi.
But giving the money to those in need seems better than giving tax breaks to the 1% uppercrust and the corporations.
Google yourself some facts on the handful of American corps making 10's of billions during the war................ If Moms give their children for the phoney war then the damn corps can suffer less profits...........


First of all I'm neither Republican nor Democrat.
inferring I am either is highly insulting.  LMAO
I wouldn't lower myself to being either
though I am technically registered as a Democrat
that is only because that's where my finger stopped when I went eanie meanie miney mo when it came time to choose how I would register.

Some views on some issues I share with the right. Some views I share with the left. And some I share with neither.

Unless 7% somehow became smaller then 3%
the top 1% didn't get the bulk of the tax breaks.
Not to mention the amount of people that were taken off the tax rolls altogether.

I agree those in the lower classes need more help
. But they need help in learning to help themselves rather then have money just thrown at them
 I don't think anyone should be "given" anything
When you start giving things away consistently
The receivers have less of a inclination to do any better.
Why should they if they can get something for nothing?

What I would be for is helping he poor help themselves. Either by giving them work in exchange for money (such as all those low paying jobs that the illegal's are scooping up) Or in training them do to something.
During  the Carter administration if he did nothing else right he had training programs for pay. whereas you went and learned how to do something and got paid for it.
In my area it was called a CETA program. I was once in one. Actually I ended up being in a couple of different programs of the same type. And that provided the basis of enabling me to get where I am today.
Standing on my own two feet and pulling my own weight like everyone should

These were good programs. They didn't just GIVE anything. You had to show up and actually work for it. You Earned it.

This is far better then just sending someone out a welfare check and food stamps every month

Problem when you start GIVING to the poor is they get lazy. and irresponsible and they start believing that its somehow owed to them. I know. I've lived among them. I've seen it first hand.
But. they still want and often get everything those better off then them can have through hard work.
Go to just abut any poor neighborhood and you will see a bunch of BMWs these days.
Hmmmm can afford to drive a BMW or a Lincoln SUV and have a cell phone . and you can bet the farm ost of them have the latest greatest gaming system and $100 shoes
But they need a handout from the government

Seems we had alot more people succeeding in this country BEFORE the government started handing out money then after.
Probably because they had no other choice then to bust their butts and earn a living.
I know for my grandparents and great grandparents there were no government programs for then when they arrived here.
They had two choices. Work and eek out a living for themselves doing whatever kind of work they could find. Or Starve.
Starvation is a great motivator.

I can understand the desire to help. And it is a very noble thought.
But the way the left wants to help is doing more to hurt, then help.

The top income earners already pay by far the very vast majority and disproportionate amount of the taxes.

According to the IRS. in released data for 2003
They show that the top 25% percent of taxpayers, ranked by adjusted gross income,  paid 83.9 percent of all federal income taxes that year.
That's paid taxes. After deductions.

Somehow I think the rest of us should be able to carry the load for the other 16.1%

What I am for is simplifying the tax code to 6 simple words. "Everyone pays 25% of their income"
Doesn't matter if you make 1 dollar or 100 billion dollars. You pay 25%
No tax brackets, no writeoffs. The only deduction you would be allowed is by how much you give to charity. That would be taken off your gross income
Then Everyone pulls their own weight equally

And I do not see how taxing them any more will help.
Here is what happens.
the amount the rich have to pay goes up.
Well they aren't going to just eat that cost. They are going to pass it on.
that's what I do. and I'm nowhere near rich. Just fortunate enough to be in a position to charge more for my services as my costs go up for whatever reason.
The rich own and run the companies. As well they should they are after all rich enough to buy or own them and I've never heard of a pauper owning a billion dollar corporation.
They in turn raise the prices on the goods and services they sell to make up for the lost revenue. Which in turn the little guy buys and now increased prices.
In the end the little guy now has more money to buy goods. And it looks good on paper because on paper he has more money.
The problem is he cant buy any more with it then he could before.
So..How has that "Helped" him?

It helps the people who sponcer such nonsense because on paper it looks great. They can all pat themselves on the back and say "Look what we have done for the little guy! He now has more money for his pocket then he did before." And everyone cheers and applauds and says Yayy!"
On paper this is true.
But in reality he is no better off then he was before.

As for the soldiers. The mothers didn't Give them. They volunteered.
They weren't picked and dragged into joining. They chose to do so.
And when you choose to join. You join for better or worse. You go and fight wherever your told for whatever reason your told.

I have the greatest respect for anyone who has joined the military and anyone in the military. It is among our most noble vocations.

But I do not feel a whole lot of sympathy for those who would complain about where they are sent or why or what they are told to do.
They knew the score when they signed the dotted line.

Now. Yes Corporations do make money during the war and from the war.
they always have and always will.

Now if you had said those companies should do more for the Vets of war. I would agree
But
That does NOT mean the poor are entitled to a share of those profits.
The poor aren't entitled to anything more then they are willing to work for.
nor should they be.

I cannot understand how so many fail to see this concept.
If you go into the wild they always tell you "Don't feed the wildlife"
Why? Because eventually the wildlife will do nothing more then keep looking for the easy handout and will loose their survival skills

This is the same concept. By giving out handouts your not helping those that need it, your hurting them.
because eventually they start feeling entitled to the handout.
As opposed to doing for themselves
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« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2006, 09:59:27 PM »
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I thought you were trying to potray some very very weak link between Saddam and Bin Laden....my bad.

So we are agreed that Saddam had no links to Bin Laden and AQ.


no we don't agree that he had no links.  It was well proven and well documented in teh 9/11 commission report that Sadams intelligence service met several times with AQ operatives and according to CNN offered Bin Laden refuge as well.

Does that justify the invasion, no that's not what I'm trying to do here.  To say the above is healthy evidence is to say that Sadam didn't tolerate terrorism...both of wich are wrong.

Again i'm not justifying or linking anyone here.  My principles are well documented on this board.

I beleive that to think that the only terrorists we have to look out for are AQ types is retarded at best.

To think Sadam was a good person or Iraq was better off with him is equally retarded

To think that Sadam never had weapons of mass destruction is also retarded

To think that we havn't been fighting him continually since 1991 is also retarded.

And last but not least, if you think Islam is a peacfull religion and that there arent muslims out there setting the steps in place to create a global caliphat and that these people can live peacable with everyone else side by side.....I got some ocean front property in arizona to sell you.

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« Reply #127 on: November 17, 2006, 10:10:20 PM »
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freedom from what, for what? freedom to kill each other?
yep - mean ole US of A the bad guy again ..


Nevermind. Too many wouldnt take the humor in the way it was intended
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« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2006, 10:11:10 PM »
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I'm satisfied with the fact that Saddam offered asylum to OBL.
 

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And he lives in pakistan.  So tell me VOR, why are in Iraq again?

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« Reply #129 on: November 17, 2006, 10:11:56 PM »
I never said anything about Islam.

The above isn't even life support evidence.

Now....AQ attacked the US, not "other" terrorists.

Saddam did not have WMD's and we invaded for THAT reason.  He did have them at one time...we should know..we supplied them to him.

I don't give two ****s whether Saddam was evil or Mother Theresa.  He was not a threat to the US, and if he brutalized his people that is not our business to waste American lives on.

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« Reply #130 on: November 17, 2006, 10:13:01 PM »
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Whitehawk: on second thought, after reading a few of your posts in this thread, nevermind. Have a nice day :)


  Humor me.  Im confused.

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« Reply #131 on: November 17, 2006, 10:25:32 PM »
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And he lives in pakistan.  So tell me VOR, why are in Iraq again?


Oil and plastic.

Both absolutely vital to our national interests

If you can think of a better reason. Lemme know ;)
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« Reply #132 on: November 17, 2006, 10:30:59 PM »
WOW! what have I missed the last 4 years away from AH?
Some of you folks are talking in circles, trying to win arguments instead of
gathering ideas, and real sure information.

WOT follows, basically because I'm bored and have the time to hog bandwidth
:) SO if ya don't want to read a WOT stop here. Besides I limit
myself to 40,000 characters. Folks from BW are turning and running as I
speak LOL.

The REAL war, which has NOT erupted yet, is all about Iran controlling the
whole ME then the whole world. Afghanistan (was done rightfully so) and Iraq
are just pecking points on the trail to Iran. Cutting off Iran by consuming
Iraq and Afghanistan territory. Whether this is a plan or a vision it will
come into play later on. Iran is the steeple of terrorism, research it, and
I don't mean skim documents for what you want to hear to make a party point
that's irrelivant.

When Iran is gone a LOT of these ME terrorist orgs will fade and some small
groups will remain who are stand-alone items. But the majority of the terror
in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel are funded by Iran. I have NO idea where
someone is getting that Russia is funding ANYTHING, IMO that is a misspoken
fallacy grasping at straws. Russia is so unlikely to contribute to terrorism
because they have a BIG problem there with local terrorist groups, remember
the school kids?. China, maybe, I highly doubt it. If anyone is getting
support from either Russia or China it's NK.

You will NOT be able to deal with Iran once they have nukes, but they will
never win what they think they will, they will be annihilated. Russia and
China and MAYBE even Korea yes, you can get somewhere with them because they
are not suicidal, they KNOW if they destroy us we destroy them. Iran OTOH
and the delusional Muslims\Mullahs\Islam who follow them ARE suicidal. In
fact, and theory, they believe MILLIONS of them and others MUST die for
Mohammed to return. Therefore, they will obtain and fire nukes with no
remorse either way. EVEN IF they fire one or two and we evaporate them,
their goal is death to others *and themselves*. If some live those will meet
Mohammod. The colossal nuke suicide bombers for the good of their own.

What we are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq is tiny nibbles of what we need to
do to Iran, like NOW. We just need the reason to do it, so it may take
waiting for the first nuke because we are just too moral, too PC, and too
worried about being politcally correct, that alone may kill us. The ONLY way
to punish Iran will come to vast distruction via nukes or massive bombing on
scales we have not seen yet without worry of collateral damage. Cutting Iran
off by controlling Afghanistan and Iraq will only help, or is just a
temporary Band-Aid. We can not handle Iran like we are Afgan and Iraq, to
think so would be a horrible mistake, they need to be eliminated, period,
however rediculus, just like Hitler. Remember a lot of their plans mirror
WWII, Hitler and how to control us by history of VN.

Millions will probably have to die before we catch on that we need to
eliminate Iran completely. When we finally wake up and smack the life out of
Iran a LOT of the ME problems will fade. AQ, Hamas and Hezbollah will lose
money support, and N. Korea will sit down and shut up. Going after what's
left will remain tiny insignificant wars in comparison, like killing a LA
street gang punks. But that's what it would be like.

My point being, and it's not an insult, IMO it's harsh reality. Some of you
are so fixated on Iraq and slimmy USA politics, that you're not thinking
outside the box and missing the big picture. You want to focus on something
much more important then Iraq, become fixated on Iran. The heart must be
removed from the body to kill it. if we don't pay attension to it, then
we'll sit by and watch NYC, LA and maybe Chicago be evaporated.

And remember, the so called good leaders of the musilms\islam have given
religious permission to kill no more then 10 million people for the cause.
The way they get full permission to do this is to ask us to join their
religion first, and Warn us of death if we don't join islam, both already
done by both Iran and AQ. They now have full permission to kill upto 10
million for the cause to convert the world to islam.

Call me stupid if you must, it's ok. But please folks, lets not talk in
circles with half-baked facts\falacies based winning an cheap argument for
your fav party view point. Some people have taken the party thing way over
board, consumed and eaten up with protecting your party instead of actually
studying hardcore facts and accepting them with an open mind. When you stick
to any one party you have just limited your thinking and understanding by
50%. Stop that crap, get real. (you all know who you are on both sides, so
don't play innocent stupid with me. ) If you want to be real you have to
think real.

next sermon at 11:00 :)

I'd say 2 cents, but that was more like 200 cents. Now if you all don't mind I need to get back to reconstructing my X45.


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« Reply #133 on: November 17, 2006, 11:01:17 PM »
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no we don't agree that he had no links.  It was well proven and well documented in teh 9/11 commission report that Sadams intelligence service met several times with AQ operatives and according to CNN offered Bin Laden refuge as well.


According to the reports, the links were no more than just talk.

source

In fact, the 911 Commission Report says:

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There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. page 66

Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative... But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. page 66
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« Reply #134 on: November 17, 2006, 11:11:47 PM »
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Now....AQ attacked the US, not "other" terrorists.

 


got it....so it's just AQ that's bad, all those other Islamo fascist advocating the downfall of the great satin should just be ignored completely.