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Offline G0ALY

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« on: November 17, 2006, 02:35:20 PM »
Howdy all… My new (used) deer rifle arrived in the mail last night. It’s a replica of an 1853 Enfield .58 caliber musket. This type of weapon was used by both sides during the civil war.

With more and more of my friends switching to lightweight, ultra-modern inline muzzleloaders, I decided to go “Old school”… And there will be none of them fancy sabot rounds and pre-measured pellets of propellant… Its going to be real black powder and correct 525 grain Minnie-balls.

I put a “Hawken” style rifle in the picture to give you an idea of this things size.



What do you think, just a little too Freudian?
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 02:36:49 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2006, 02:43:17 PM »
Needs a scope :cool:  :p

black powder is a hoot to shoot.  whats the range and accuracy of your shot?

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 02:50:56 PM »
Scopes = blasphemy.  Especially on a gun like that.

I have a .50 caliber T/C Grey Hawk.  Iron sights.  Just like every other weapon I own thanks.

I do carry binoculars though :)


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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2006, 03:46:45 PM »
Awesome!!

If I ever go hunting..

I'll take my 1861 Springfield Replica .58cal as my main, and perhaps a bolt action as a back up..
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2006, 06:01:08 PM »
that's about a thirty yard gun if it's a musket and you won't be able to shoot minie ball but round shot.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 06:18:20 PM »
hunting is for p*ssys....Be a real man and play Rugby
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 06:22:03 PM »
jk...I have no problem with the hunting of deer if it is for a purpose more than simply shooting it...What really pisses me off though is big game hunting...I have a good friend who wants to hunt a lion or a tiger one day...I always tell him what a p-ssy he is, and if he were a real man...or if anyone for that matter was a real man, and they wanted to hunt a predator, they should try it with a knife so it's a fair fight...not sitting 200 yards away with a high powered rifle..
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 08:34:17 PM »
well, if the barrel is rifled great! effective range out to 125- yards or so, if it is smoothbore half that, I just got back today from a day in the woods with my .54 sidelock, I use peep sites for hunting the little blacktail buck I got today was only 40 yards or so with conical bullets.
we still have a tag for my son, I have 2 other 50 cal sidelocks one is a cva kit other is a T/C Hawken. So far the I think I have 3 small bucks and one cow elk with black powder gear I may never hunt center fire again LOL, Oregon limits us to loose powder and conical bullets or balls. no sabots or pellets. and open sites only, I have done ok so far, some of my buds us inlines but I will stick to my side locks. let us know how it shoots:aok
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2006, 09:41:05 PM »
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jk...I have no problem with the hunting of deer if it is for a purpose more than simply shooting it...What really pisses me off though is big game hunting...I have a good friend who wants to hunt a lion or a tiger one day...I always tell him what a p-ssy he is, and if he were a real man...or if anyone for that matter was a real man, and they wanted to hunt a predator, they should try it with a knife so it's a fair fight...not sitting 200 yards away with a high powered rifle..


Agreed. Or those guys who go out to these ranches with farm raised game.They choose what they want to "hunt" and are driven out to the herd and pick one.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2006, 09:56:18 PM »
Big game trophy hunting pisses me off, but what's wrong with harvesting your own meat?  Yea it doesn't say much about their manliness, but still, how is it any different than going to the butcher?  Well, the difference is that you know where the meat came from, it's fun for some people, and when procuring meat nowadays, it is actually sort of cool to get involved a little earlier in the process.

Why should some minimum wage cow-killer in a slaughterhouse kill your meat if you're willing to go out and do it yourself?  The animal is dead either way, so what's wrong with going out and doing it yourself?

Shooting a penned up deer isn't something I'd go around bragging about but you have to admit, it is just a tiny bit cooler than just going to the butcher.  If nothing else, it proves that you freely admit that if you want to eat meat, something's gotta die, and you're willing to do the killing yourself if necessary.

I have friends who eat meat but who also say they'd willingly starve if they had to kill the animal themselves.  That's pretty sad...
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2006, 11:39:35 PM »
Hey Goaly.  I bought a rifle just like yours back in April.  Haven't hunted with it yet, but it seems reliable and fairly accurate.  Had a cataract in right eye fixed (was seeing a double front sight) so gotta go out and try it again.  I'm shooting REAL bullets that I cast myself with an aluminum Lyman bullet mold #575.  I use Goex FFg black powder...about 65 grains.

I haven't been lubing these bullets but may try to get ahold of a product called Alox.  I read where you put some bullets in a sandwich bag along with some Alox and shake 'em and move 'em around for a bit.  Dunno if this increases accuracy, but may help with fouling somewhat.

You probably already know about it but a handy device for unloading without firing uses a CO2 cartridge that fits over the nipple and blows the powder and bullet/patched ball out.

Good luck with the Enfield and give us a buck report.




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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2006, 11:47:51 PM »
Shooting times had an article a few months ago on paper wrapping around the bullets.  Said it used to be a big deal and is still probably a good thing.  Helps accuracy, increases number of shots before fouling becomes an issue.

Not sure it applies...
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2006, 12:00:25 AM »
I used to hunt with a black powder rifle. My neighbor and I got together and got a couple Thompson kits and built our own Hawkins. We even browned them to keep it more traditional. I did use the adjustable sight however. I like tradition but I'm not a stickler for it. The adjustable sights were far better than a wide fixed notch rear sight.

One of the things I learned is that the REAL bullets do perform a bit better with a coating of a light grease. I kept my ready bullets in a loading block or small single charge speed loaders when hunting. If you use the grease the fouling stays softer and you get more shots before wiping the barrel.

Another thing I learned is that the max pressure load wasn't always the most accurate with those bullets. The load just below max gave the best accuracy and decent velocity as well.

Sabot style bullets didn't work for either of my Hawkin rifles. I just didn't get the accuracy that I did with the REAL bullets. I don't know if they were stripping out on the rifling or what.

I started with real black powder but switched over to Pyrodex. I got far more shots before having to wipe the barrel and having a slightly reduced smoke cloud helped in tracking the deer after the shot. I could see if the deer was hit and how badly depending on its reaction to the impact. With black powder the smoke was too heavy to do that unless there was a decent crosswind. The barrel was slower to rust as well with Pyrodex.

I found CCI caps to be the "hottest" and used Remington caps just to clear the oil out of the nipple and flame bore before loading. I also used "hot shot" nipples. They made it easier to get the old cap off of the nipple for a reload and seemed to have fewer misfires as well.
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2006, 12:43:07 AM »
Good info Maverick.  Thank you.  Those Thompson kits are nice, I use to have a .50 Renegade already assembled.  Beautiful rifle.  Think I'm gonna try that Alox on the REAL bullet.  Someone makes expensive hunting pre-lubed bullets, name escapes me, but they're about $25.00 for 50 bullets.  May buy a box sometime just to see if they're more accurate.  A patched ball for my Enfield is difficult to load even the first round in a clean barrel, very tight fit the entire length of the barrel.  And that's with a lubed patch.  The REAL bullet is much easier to load.  I carry a half inch piece of dowel for a ramrod.

I don't get out too much nowadays to hunt.  Not like a few years ago, but am gonna hunt some this year.  I've only killed two deer muzzleloading hunting.  This year if I can't hit a paper plate sized target at 40 yards consistantly, I won't hunt with it.  Most good hunting shot opportunities are within 15 /20 yards in the woods.



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