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« Reply #225 on: December 05, 2006, 03:32:46 AM »
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If remember asking on ch200 if anyone wanted to fight.  After a co alt co E fight was arranged, you continued to climb about 10k higher than me before the fight began.  Then you did not fight me.  You used bnz tactics and I dodged your shots.  Acting like target practice to you.  Had I known you were going to do this, I would not have agreed on the arranged fight.  After you did this twice, I had a squaddie climb out oustide icon range to sit high above the fight, possibly 10k above us to make sure you didn't run away, which you did in the previous 2 fights.  I am convinced that you are truely idiotic-like in person.  But I now also know you are a liar (twisting the truth on purpose).  I'm writing this becuase of what you publicly said about me and people should know the truth when lies are said of me.
I'm not really saying this to try to help you, I'm saying this to everyone else that reads this.


I recall NO stipulations as to alt or merge or anything.   Arranged????  Was NOT the case as I recall.

I do recall you asking me to fight.  But it was more like hey lets fight i'll meet ya in such and such sector.  I didn't volunteer to fight you, I did not ask you to fight.  I greeted you on public and you asked me to fight.  Wasn't much of anything else going on so I said ok.  NO requirements were made as to aircraft, alt, speed, merge, nothing was prearranged IIRC SIR!  BTW I very rarely do such things.

I also recall REPEATEDLY telling you, on public channel, I was climbing to the fight.  

I also recall REPEATEDLY telling you, on public channel, that you should climb to the fight.

WHY?  I usually enjoy a fight more if it starts at alt.

I'm pretty sure from all our prevoius engagements that you were fully aware I was coming in a 109.

10K??? I think it was more like 5K but I also recall comin in close, and reversing a few time rather quickly, bleeding allot of E, missin allot because I have a real hard time hittin anything, including the GROUND, with the stupid 30mm, and having you chase and shoot at me from about 600 out more then once.  I used the K4's speed and climb to get me out of trouble more then once in all 3 of those fights.  I thought you were doing fairly well.  I had fought you several times before.  It was VERY much the same in those fights.  Which BTW causes me to ask you why you thought it would be different? And you usually got saved by your buddy in most of those fights IIRC.  Thinkin I could ask some of my squadies to be sure.  I do admit you didn't seem to want to HO, I give you that.

And B&Z is fighting no matter HOW MUCH you want it to be otherwise.  It's NOT turn fighting, which is what you wanted, but it is fighting.  Further IMHO I wasn't B&Z'ing, I was energy fighting.  There is a difference.  I did get in close and fairly slow while fighting you.  When it looked bad I used my energy to pull me out and then came back in.  I did this several times.

As to your buddy being 10K above the fight? I did one of those attack reverse attack reverse etc until I needed seperation.  I climbed out abit, turned toward you, was getting ready to come back and engage when something made me look back.  There was your friend 800 out comin in on my 6.  I evaded, but the spit broke and climbed out, and I asked you who the spit was and what was it doing there.

It was then that you informed me that I was not fighting you the way you wanted me to, and your friend was there to shoot me if I didn't start fightin you the way you wanted me to.

So I wouldn't Run AWAY?  I had already fought you until one of use was shot down TWICE, which was you both times, so WHY would I suddenly chose to run away?????????????????

Now.........

You SIR have called me a liar, and an idiot.

Soooooooooo  lets take the part where YOU claimed that you were close friends with my squadies  (You used the name Lute, I asked him afterwards and he said NOPE NO WAY!)............. that I had better beware because they had been showing you things (he said that was not true {ALSO?}) ............. and you were going to record this fight so you could shame me before my squadies.

I'm sure we could get him to vouch for one of us, huh? what do you say?  If you like YOU can even be the one to ask him :D :D :D

(hmm thinkin we had this conversation before on the bbs????)

(thinkin maybe look up??? hmmm what would I use for a look up??? anyone got a recommendation re how to look it up?)

(hmm also thinkin I was gonna just ignore the episode, as I thought it was pretty strange/wierd/silly but ,,, hmm was it Kermit that started that conversation with a post???? hmmmmmmm)
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« Reply #226 on: December 05, 2006, 04:22:16 AM »
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best
pursefight
evar.

well, no, it's not , but it's been amusing.


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« Reply #227 on: December 05, 2006, 08:15:51 AM »
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Deadmanflying:   you gunna take that shot even in co-alt, co-E, same plane 1 on 1 fight?


If it's a duel, absolutely not.  If it's just some plane out there, and I have no idea who it is, and the threat of other enemies jumping in seems possible, or if it's someone who I know will whine about being HOed for hours on end, then I'll take the shot if I have it.

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« Reply #228 on: December 05, 2006, 08:21:58 AM »
Geeeez Wrag and Kermit, are you two fighting about something from THAT far back?

Some of the things y'all arguin' about are like 1-2years old.

LOL

(for the record, I do consider Kermit an AH Friend.  You know, if they were driving through my town I would meet 'em for a beer, but prob. wouldn't let 'em sleep on my couch  I vaguely remember what these two are fighting about, but dang it the idiots, it was like forever ago.  Kiss and make up already!)


(edit: if no alt was pre-given, which I bet was the case, shame on you Froggie.  Granted, if it was ME in the 109k, I woulda stall fought y'er tiffy and tater'd y'er tail off.  And this fight you two are talking about BETTER have happend recently.  If you makin' chime in on a subject from a couple years ago I am gonna smack the both of you in the back of the head next time I see you)
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« Reply #229 on: December 05, 2006, 08:29:47 AM »
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If it's a duel, absolutely not.  If it's just some plane out there, and I have no idea who it is, and the threat of other enemies jumping in seems possible, or if it's someone who I know will whine about being HOed for hours on end, then I'll take the shot if I have it.

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lol

you dweeb

just by the rare chance you may be considering this thread a HO whine, its not. as hubs said, its the best purse fight thread in a few months. i think you're jealous :cry





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« Reply #230 on: December 05, 2006, 08:37:47 AM »
can't we just play the game and have fun?  This is one of the reasons i have Ch 200 turned off.

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« Reply #231 on: December 05, 2006, 09:03:12 AM »
at least we agree on one point john.


but dont go pretending this topic wasnt fun, if it wasnt why did so many people keep coming back >
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« Reply #232 on: December 05, 2006, 09:12:56 AM »
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at least we agree on one point john.
 


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« Reply #233 on: December 05, 2006, 09:57:31 AM »
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can't we just play the game and have fun?  This is one of the reasons i have Ch 200 turned off.

Bro, if your not having fun reading this stuff, then just don't read it!  I think much of it is hilarious!  :aok

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« Reply #234 on: December 05, 2006, 02:04:41 PM »
From memory, an altitude was given.

The point of the fight wrag, was to have some fun.  There were no fights that night so I asked if anyone wanted to fight.  You said that you'd like to.  Had I known you were going to just get high at the start of the fight with a merge with you diving at me and then zooming back up, I would not have agreed to this thing.  You lost your E a few times during the fights but just dove away, leveled off and then climbed again after extending a few k, maybe 2 or 3k.  A few times I remember turning away from you and about to ask someone else on ch200 if they wanted to fight.

You did energy fight me, bnz me, but you also ran away by diving, leveling off and then climbing.  All of which are good tactics.  I was just hoping for a fun fight that we could both enjoy for awhile.  But all you cared about was not dying.   You did volunteer to fight me.  In reality, all you wanted was an offline drone you could bnz.  A squaddie was in the area during the third fight, and I said to him, hey, climb really high and stay outta icon range.  If wrag runs away again, cut him off.  Of course, you did not know that.  Yes, this happened a long time ago.  Your nature hasn't changed and so your comment earlier in this thread made me think of this event.

Close friends? I think I remember it being that I fought the WM's and had fun many times back then, but I ain't close friends in real life, you are just confused which happens through the internet many times.  

I had come to the conclusion that the first fight was just a misunderstanding.I'm sick of people thinking that the other guy is trying to make him fight his way.  Wrag, all you had to do was say hey, I'm going to come in high on the merge and run away if I have to to keep my E.  I would have told you, no thanks, I'll find a fight like that by myself else where.  Me dying was due to boredem and typing on ch200 :)  Remember, I did not run away, ho, stick stir or whatever other tactics that ruin the gameplay for others.  I still gave you a fun fight despite your actions.  I understand that that is the way you choose to play.  And the very last thing you did was run to your ack when my squddie in a spit with more E than you, was chasing you while I was rtb.  I only said I was going to record it and show it to your squddies because I was hoping that would affect you in a good way.  I'm saying all this so that everyone reading this can have a clear picture of what happened and understand your "pointless gameplay" opinions.  You chose to make this specific event public on the bbs.


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« Reply #235 on: December 05, 2006, 03:05:32 PM »
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From memory, an altitude was given.

The point of the fight wrag, was to have some fun.  There were no fights that night so I asked if anyone wanted to fight.  You said that you'd like to.  Had I known you were going to just get high at the start of the fight with a merge with you diving at me and then zooming back up, I would not have agreed to this thing.  You lost your E a few times during the fights but just dove away, leveled off and then climbed again after extending a few k, maybe 2 or 3k.  A few times I remember turning away from you and about to ask someone else on ch200 if they wanted to fight.

You did energy fight me, bnz me, but you also ran away by diving, leveling off and then climbing.  All of which are good tactics.  I was just hoping for a fun fight that we could both enjoy for awhile.  But all you cared about was not dying.   You did volunteer to fight me.  In reality, all you wanted was an offline drone you could bnz.  A squaddie was in the area during the third fight, and I said to him, hey, climb really high and stay outta icon range.  If wrag runs away again, cut him off.  Of course, you did not know that.  Yes, this happened a long time ago.  Your nature hasn't changed and so your comment earlier in this thread made me think of this event.

Close friends? I think I remember it being that I fought the WM's and had fun many times back then, but I ain't close friends in real life, you are just confused which happens through the internet many times.  

I had come to the conclusion that the first fight was just a misunderstanding.I'm sick of people thinking that the other guy is trying to make him fight his way.  Wrag, all you had to do was say hey, I'm going to come in high on the merge and run away if I have to to keep my E.  I would have told you, no thanks, I'll find a fight like that by myself else where.  Me dying was due to boredem and typing on ch200 :)  Remember, I did not run away, ho, stick stir or whatever other tactics that ruin the gameplay for others.  I still gave you a fun fight despite your actions.  I understand that that is the way you choose to play.  And the very last thing you did was run to your ack when my squddie in a spit with more E than you, was chasing you while I was rtb.  I only said I was going to record it and show it to your squddies because I was hoping that would affect you in a good way.  I saying all this so that everyone reading this can have a clear picture of what happened and understand your "pointless gameplay" opinions.  You chose to make this specific event public on the bbs.


NO nothing was said about alt, plane, speed, etc..... I did make it clear I was coming in with alt.  Every time!

The just dove away part doesn't make sense to me. A typhie can dive with a K4.  I usually don't dive out of any fight i'm in if i'm in a 109.  As I consider it suicide to do that in a 109.  Ask my squadies, I've told em repeatedly don't dive out of a fight ina 109.

Run to my ACK???????  LOL I don't think so!  I climbed out. Your friend jumped me.  I manuvered in on him but missed, (stupid 30mm). Lost too much E in the manuver and stalled.  Your friend shot me down.  Wasn't close to any friendly base as I recall.

Thinkin Kermit ASSUMED many things!   Only thing I remember being spoken of was havin a fight.  No rules were stated.  Still got the PM's about it all.  So it wasn't a thread.  Also thinkin Kermit maybe doesn't remember the same things I remember.  Was over a year ago.

Close friends?  Did I use those words?  Did I say close?

Lute..............  I tried to drop the matter.  I got several PM's from Kermit regarding the matter back when it happened.

Kermit is the one that brought the matter up.  Far as I was concerned we basically agreed to disagree. Kermit then brings it up in this thread. I reply to his comment with what I see, and saw, as the truth. Then Kermit proceeded to call me a liar and an ediot.

You call that kiss and make up?

I've said nothing further about it all this time.  Didn't intend on even bringing it up.

Kermit,  why did you feel it necassary to use the liar and idiot frazes?

You got a problem with this whole thing that you have been unable to let go of?

Have you looked at what you just posted?  You are basically saying you didn't get the fight you wanted so you called in a friend.   I told you several times I was coming in high alt.  Told you over and over.  I even told you I was attacking you before I made my very 1st pass.  I never thought to ask you, were you drinking or something duiring that particular event?

Recording it to HELP me??????  :rofl   That is NOT what I recall you saying.  I do recall you made your comments BEFORE we started fighting the 1st fight.

It would not have come up if you had NOT found it necassary to comment on my post in this thread.  It is/was your comment that brought it all out.

Thought we settled the matter in private.  Still have the PM's.  Did you keep my replies?

AND!!!! All you had to say at any given time was, that you didn't want to fight any longer.  This could have been said pretty much at any time during our fights.  I would have pulled off and left the area.  I would have done so because it was a requested fight.  If it had been a typical MA fight nope would have fought it out, and would have been expecting your friend as well.  But it wasn't and didn't think you would call in a friend.

So here is my take on the entire thing.  A fight was agreed upon.  NO engagement rules were specified. We talked on 200 pretty much the entire time, and I did tell you what I was doing RE alt etc.  We fought.  After 2 fights your friend came into the area.  You informed me you were unhappy with the WAY I was fighting you and your friend was going to shoot me if I continued fighting you the way I was fighing you.  I broke off and climbed out.  Your friend jumped me.  I engaged but stalled out.  Your friend shot me down.

Did you ASSUME that specific rules some how applied when none were stated?

Kermit YOU have stated in your post that BECAUSE I did not fight you in the WAY you wanted me to, YOU called in a friend!

THERE IT IS!

And Lute....... how long have you known me?  How long have we flown together?  Do you REALLY think I would have done what I'm accused of here? Have you ever seen me do such?
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« Reply #236 on: December 05, 2006, 03:23:54 PM »
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NO nothing was said about alt, plane, speed, etc..... I did make it clear I was coming in with alt.  Every time!

The just dove away part doesn't make sense to me. A typhie can dive with a K4.  I usually don't dive out of any fight i'm in if i'm in a 109.  As I consider it suicide to do that in a 109.  Ask my squadies, I've told em repeatedly don't dive out of a fight ina 109.

Run to my ACK???????  LOL I don't think so!  I climbed out. Your friend jumped me.  I manuvered in on him but missed, (stupid 30mm). Lost too much E in the manuver and stalled.  Your friend shot me down.  Wasn't close to any friendly base as I recall.

Thinkin Kermit ASSUMED many things!   Only thing I remember being spoken of was havin a fight.  No rules were stated.  Still got the PM's about it all.  So it wasn't a thread.  Also thinkin Kermit maybe doesn't remember the same things I remember.  Was over a year ago.

Close friends?  Did I use those words?  Did I say close?

Lute..............  I tried to drop the matter.  I got several PM's from Kermit regarding the matter back when it happened.

Kermit is the one that brought the matter up.  Far as I was concerned we basically agreed to disagree. Kermit then brings it up in this thread. I reply to his comment with what I see, and saw, as the truth. Then Kermit proceeded to call me a liar and an ediot.

You call that kiss and make up?

I've said nothing further about it all this time.  Didn't intend on even bringing it up.

Kermit,  why did you feel it necassary to use the liar and idiot frazes?

You got a problem with this whole thing that you have been unable to let go of?

Have you looked at what you just posted?  You are basically saying you didn't get the fight you wanted so you called in a friend.   I told you several times I was coming in high alt.  Told you over and over.  I even told you I was attacking you before I made my very 1st pass.  I never thought to ask you, were you drinking or something duiring that particular event?

Recording it to HELP me??????  :rofl   That is NOT what I recall you saying.  I do recall you made your comments BEFORE we started fighting the 1st fight.

It would not have come up if you had NOT found it necassary to comment on my post in this thread.  It is/was your comment that brought it all out.

Thought we settled the matter in private.  Still have the PM's.  Did you keep my replies?

AND!!!! All you had to say at any given time was, that you didn't want to fight any longer.  This could have been said pretty much at any time during our fights.  I would have pulled off and left the area.  I would have done so because it was a requested fight.  If it had been a typical MA fight nope would have fought it out, and would have been expecting your friend as well.  But it wasn't and didn't think you would call in a friend.

So here is my take on the entire thing.  A fight was agreed upon.  NO engagement rules were specified. We talked on 200 pretty much the entire time, and I did tell you what I was doing RE alt etc.  We fought.  After 2 fights your friend came into the area.  You informed me you were unhappy with the WAY I was fighting you and your friend was going to shoot me if I continued fighting you the way I was fighing you.  I broke off and climbed out.  Your friend jumped me.  I engaged but stalled out.  Your friend shot me down.

Did you ASSUME that specific rules some how applied when none were stated?

Kermit YOU have stated in your post that BECAUSE I did not fight you in the WAY you wanted me to, YOU called in a friend!

THERE IT IS!

And Lute....... how long have you known me?  How long have we flown together?  Do you REALLY think I would have done what I'm accused of here? Have you ever seen me do such?

I wouldn't even agree to fight unless an alt was given.  Why not just agree to let one guy work on his BnZ and the other work on his reversals! :rofl

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« Reply #237 on: December 05, 2006, 03:43:41 PM »
OK...........

If Rules or requirments are put forth and IF I agree to those rules or requirments I WILL ADHERE to those rules or requirments so long as the other or others do the same.

Lute KNOWS this.  Several others KNOW this.

That is all there is to it!
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« Reply #238 on: December 05, 2006, 09:38:54 PM »
saw elfy in the ma tonight and he apprached me on the subject appologising for it and i appologising for making a silly thread about it.

alls well that ends well, im glad we could talk it over without any personal involvement, S! elfy.
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« Reply #239 on: December 05, 2006, 11:56:13 PM »
I never do see why people get so upset by being Ho'd.  An a/c like a 1c can live by em almost exclusively.  Perhaps what you term as his turning into you at the last possible second was merely creating some separation so that when he blew you away he wouldn't get any oil on his shiny paint job ;)  The HO is an entirely legitimate tactic, it just gets a bad name from folks who don't know how to use it properly and often end up ramming people due to their target fixation.  Easiest way to avoid "dweebery" and vulching and gaming etc... is to live by a motto such as "no quarter given nor asked", expect nothing for free and don't give any.  The "knights of the sky" honor code is fine among friends but if he's some anonymous con coming at ya, blow him away at the first chance ya get and go look for another target...er con