Author Topic: Does this news from the Middle East surprise anyone here? (Read 3311 times)

ByeBye · « **Reply #105 on:** December 04, 2006, 10:12:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Yeah, sure thing Nuke. Of course Bush could say, "I lied, the invasion was unjustified.", and you would say "See this proves the invasion was justified.".

Do you agree with the whole report, or only the parts you want to believe?

ByeBye · « **Reply #106 on:** December 04, 2006, 10:17:47 PM »

See Rule #5

lazs2 · « **Reply #107 on:** December 05, 2006, 08:43:34 AM »

given the sadmans past record I think it is safe to say that if he wasn't allready.... he would pursue new weapons the minute he could... I think that anyone who says this is not true is a liar or a fool or both.

I would also say that it is pretty much a given that iran would have pursued em as would syria and a few others.

lazs

-dead- · « **Reply #108 on:** December 05, 2006, 10:39:07 AM »

Wow! Look at those quote attributions:

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U.S. officials say... According to a senior defense official ... This suggests, say the sources ... says a senior official. ... U.S. intelligence believes ... Two senior U.S. defense officials confirmed ... While the New York Times reported ... one of the senior officials said he believed ... Officials say ... U.S. intelligence officials believe ...

Does anyone see a problem with that? The only named source is the New York Times. And I'll bet their report is a whole load more "officials say" as well. Everything else is completely deniable and unattributed. If it's so concrete and such a smoking gun why isn't "General X said"? Why does no one in the US government want to put their name to it?
As it's also off the internet, the only specious nonsense marker we're missing is "a bloke down the bar told us".

dmf · « **Reply #109 on:** December 05, 2006, 05:51:20 PM »

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Originally posted by ByeBye
The invasion was justified, for several reasons. The Iraq Survey Group report is just the final point in the wars justification.

Maybe you would have prefered Saddam to still be in power, the inspections ended, and Iraq producing wmd again as if nothing ever happened. Is that what you would like?

I have to agree, but I'd like to know where Iraq sent them to.

Hazzer · « **Reply #110 on:** December 06, 2006, 03:40:58 AM »

Go long?,In Britain we went long in N Ireland 37 years later we are still there!Are the American people prepared for that.I've lived with terrorism for all of those 37 years,but my freedoms were never taken away I didn't have to have an identity card,and they didn't talk about abolishing habeas corpus.I'm more frightened of my own Leader than any terrorist!!When are leaders take us to war we should question why,not wave flags and blindly follow.A lot of people on these boards are like sponges soaking up Bush's ,making them bigger fools the the man himself.Young americans are being sent to die for a lie!rather than trying to justify it you should start asking some serious Questions of your leaders.The motivating force of politics is power.your just a vote!Go long,it saddens me that you can even think it.

Oh,and the war IS illegal.wether the ends justify the means only time will tell, but it is not looking good.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #111 on:** December 06, 2006, 03:57:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Hazzer
Oh,and the war IS illegal.wether the ends justify the means only time will tell, but it is not looking good.

Your Lord Goldsmith's (UK's Atty General) published memo of March 17 2003 declares, "Authority to use force against Iraq exists" from previous UN resolutions. -- your countryman.

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Young americans are being sent to die for a lie!

What about young Brits? You care about them? What are you doing about the UK's involvement?

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Rather than trying to justify it you should start asking some serious Questions of your leaders.

I guess you missed the news on the recent US election results...

Thrawn · « **Reply #112 on:** December 06, 2006, 12:05:54 PM »

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Originally posted by dmf
I have to agree, but I'd like to know where Iraq sent them to.

That is a totally irrational conclusion based on wishful thinking.

Gather all the primary source evidence that you have collected that supports the conclusion that Iraq sent their WMD to Syria. Okay, so now you have a big pile of nothing.

Now compare this to the hundreds of thousands of manhours and hundreds of millions of dollars in resources the ISG decidated to investing the Iraq WMD question, surveying weapson cashes, pooring over docuements conducting countless interviews with military/polictical/scientific personal etc.

I mean what can you possibly be bring to the table that supercedes thier evidence and the conclusion they reached based on it?

Sandman · « **Reply #113 on:** December 06, 2006, 12:28:46 PM »

Red herring.

evenhaim · « **Reply #114 on:** December 06, 2006, 01:00:26 PM »

ALL OF YOU
must take into consideration that people like me who live in israel we are sorrounded by people who hate us for our mere religion and the fact that we live there, thankfully we have jordan and eygpt as our allies but the thing is that if saddam would have been allowed to rebuild his aramada of wmd i would probably be fighting in a war again, the thing is duringt he first gulf war i kinda felt unsafe when everyday we heard sirens and we had scud missles flying over our building. i still have my gas mask and injection of this anti biochem syrum, my grandmothers house was hit by a scud and we never knew if one of these would be "the one" that happend to have that nuclear/ biochem warhead. even with warning systems and patriot and other m v m missles there is no impenterable shield for us and well i hate to say it but if ever one hits it will not only start ww3 but it would probably kill hundreds of thousand - millions of israel citizens. Sadly in these time nothing is sure but thanks to premetive actions by bush we will not have to worry about iraq for quite some time, well thats 1 less country to worryabout.

-evenhaim (aka freezeman)

Sandman · « **Reply #115 on:** December 06, 2006, 01:45:02 PM »

There you have it folks. The only clear winner in our little fiasco is Israel.

Woot!

lazs2 · « **Reply #116 on:** December 06, 2006, 02:09:53 PM »

I like Israel and it's people. I think if every country in the middle east were like Israel then the whole world would be better off..

If Israel goes away then the whole world is worse off. I would say that Israel, it's government and it's people are very much worth preserving.

lazs

evenhaim · « **Reply #117 on:** December 06, 2006, 02:45:00 PM »

ty for your support

now if we could convey this message to damascus and teheran:noid

Hazzer · « **Reply #118 on:** December 06, 2006, 02:59:26 PM »

I did do somthing about it I went on the anti war march to London in 2003 ,a million people attended some of them war vetrans,Blair still went ahead.

Goldsmith is a liar as is Blair and I despise both of them.I voted for Blair in '97,I can not believe what I have witnessed in the last five years by a labour Government.From now on my vote will be negative.I shallvote out whoever is in power ,till some one comes a long who gives a damn.

Yes British soldiers are dying too,a pointless waste of life,and the Iraqi people,for whom the worst is yet to come.

Bush is paying the Price for trying to redraw the map of the middle east,he should have studied what happened when the british redrew after ww1.In fact the problems there now stem directly from the british carve up of mesopotamia after the Great war.Historys echoes go unheard in the Whitehouse and number 10 downing street.

evenhaim · « **Reply #119 on:** December 06, 2006, 03:09:28 PM »

I beg to differ hazzer
this war has done something, it has removed a dictator from power and has removed iraq as a threat to any democrating nations int he region israel for example lol read above post, i do think we should end this war now because there is a lot of unneccesary bloodshed but to tell you the truth this will be the beggining of a war with another middle east nation guess who... iran...and maybe israel will kill syria lol but the thing is i give bush a few months to sweep up iraq before he enters iran..