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Offline Debonair

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2006, 01:17:34 AM »
its a ridiculous hypothetical cause i know how to avoid jury duty
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Offline cav58d

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2006, 01:21:19 AM »
lmao Deb.  "I hate black people"
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2006, 08:03:50 AM »
time is a factor, if he went after the rapist right away defense will argue no premeditation, defense will argue he went to threaten the rapist not kill, but upon confrontation he was attacked and defended himself.

jury will decide what they think is truth.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2006, 08:25:19 AM »
I agree with 20 years.   I can understand and would forgive the Father handing out a royal buttwhooping, but not killing.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2006, 09:53:13 AM »
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17 is old enough to have a brain. Or at least part of one... On the other hand, what sort of upbringing did dear old dad provide if she's intentionally seeking out guys who brag about cooking up cocaine?


how did you gather that from the above situation?  there is no harm at all in chatting to someone.

how do you know that she hadnt been chatting to him trying to get him off drugs?  you are assuming the worst.

If it was found that the girl was completely not at fault for the situation then I would give him 10 years and an apology.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2006, 09:56:28 AM »
I'd actually say 5 years.  


I would be more lenient if he tried to let the state punish the rapist, but the state didn't come through.  Vigilantism is the last resort, not the first.
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2006, 10:06:58 AM »
My sentence (for the father) : Death

Why :
He failed to protect his daughter.
To add insult to injury he prevented himself to be able to protect her in the future.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2006, 10:16:05 AM »
two things....

first, there is not enough information on the rape.   There is not enough info on what drove the dad to do it.   was it a brutal rape by a future predator who is not only better off dead but better for the rest of us that he is dead?   Was the sight of the rape victim so horrific as to drive him to it?   why did he do it?

second, you guys don't seem to understand what a juror is.   A juror has not only the right and the duty to decide guilt or inocence based on the evidence but...  based on how he feels about the law... is the law just?  will justice be served if he upholds an injust law?   that is why they ask jurors in drug cases if they thing drug laws are just... that is why they ask jurors in firearms cases if they are some kind of "second amendment and constitution nut".  jurors have the right and the duty to strike down unjust laws.

prosecutors know this soooo... they will look at the case and if the rape was brutal or could cause sympathy they won't even try for first degree murder... the jury might.... probly would... let the guy go.  sooooo..  the prosecutor would probly ask for some kind of manslaughter conviction so the jurors could convict with good concience.

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2006, 10:54:29 AM »
Well now that we have taken discretion of judges out of the equation, in this state he gets life without parole.

isn't mandatory sentencing a great thing?

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2006, 11:11:51 AM »
why would he get life for 2nd degree manslauter for instance?   and... he get's nothing if the jury does not convict.

Why is the judge better at figuring out a sentance than say a jury?

In order for him to get the mandatory life sentance... he would have to be charged with first degree murder and then, a jury, knowing the mandatory sentance, would have to convict on the first degree murder charge.

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2006, 11:17:30 AM »
But he did commit 1st degree murder.  

He premeditated, hunted down his quarry, and dispatched him.  If the motive was money instead of revenge, there would be no question to debate here.

The question of this thread is whether there is a reason that justifies a cold blooded premeditated murder.
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2006, 11:20:53 AM »
yep... but even more... is it murder?  the jury can decide that.   they can refuse to convict.

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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2006, 11:30:24 AM »
what was the plea?
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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2006, 11:35:39 AM »
BS

Anyone rapes my daughter.
they better pray the law gets to them before me.
and they better pray they dont get out of jail before I die.

Cause anyone rapes my daughter. I WILL kill them. No "maybe". no "might"
It WILL happen and there isnt the smallest shred of thought I wouldnt do it.

Or at the very least I am cutting off their genitalia and in front of them chopping it in such small peices that it cant be re-attached.


I once chain whipped someone for stealing my sisters Halloween candy when she was Trick or Treating.
No doubt in my mind what Id do to someone who raped my daughter

I say guilt with extenuating circumstances
10 year sentance-suspended
5 years probation
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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2006, 11:38:00 AM »
I hate to say it but i'd give him life with parole... It sounds harsh (and yes i can see his actions in myself) but we need to live by the law or we would descend into chaos.   Now if you had said... u know the kid, you know where to find him, but the cops did nothing despite your pleas... then i might let him walk

its tricky...
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