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Offline john9001

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« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2006, 10:22:39 AM »
i would just call my uncle Vito, the "problem" would be taken care of quietly.

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« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2006, 12:33:45 PM »
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we don't have enough information.  

The prosocutor could indeed make it even 2nd degree manslaughter... the man could have gone to the parents of the boys house to confront them and then... an arguement turned into a fight turned into a killing.

The prosocutor needs to review the evidence... if the girl has been raped violently and the dna is there and the thing went down as I described...

No jury would convict based on the above scenario and a murder charge.. the prosocutor would go for manslaughter charge.

Judges?  what is the difference between guildlines and mandatory sentances?   the judges have guidlines and mandatory sentances impossed on them because they have done such a poor jub as a whole.

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A judge normally has knowledge of a lot more of the circumstances of the case than the jury.

You could very easily have the facts of the rape kept from the jury by a prosecutor's motion due to its inflammatory nature.

If the jury convicts, the judge used to be able to take facts unknown by the jury into consideration in sentencing, they cant do that with mandatory sentencing, but this is what most seem to want, cookie cutter, simple justice, that's why he would get life without parole here.

BTW, from what I have seen of this case, the prosecutor in my county would file for 1st degree, we have dozens of 2nd degree murder convictions for DWI causing death here, don't you think the intent to kill was far stronger in this case?

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« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2006, 01:49:48 PM »
If Denny Crane is his lawyer.I'd let him off.:rofl

If not then 8-10years. Although I can't say I wouldn't react the same if I was in his position.:D

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« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2006, 02:04:42 PM »
who said he intended to kill?   He goes over to talk to the parents/kid and they give him a bunch of crap and a fight ensues.   The fight turns out bad for the kid and he dies.

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« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2006, 03:41:02 PM »
LOL...ok lazs, whatever you say.

I was going by the "grabs his gun, tracks the kid down and kills him" part.

Now if you want to put a bunch of what if's into this be my guest, I think I am done here :)

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« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2006, 08:55:07 AM »
I thought law and trials were all about "what ifs"?

I think the whole thing is pointless in any case... plenty of real cases to examine.  this fake one was meant to get a reaction.   You bit.  

My point remains... you have to establish intent to establish murder.   We don't have enough to go on.   Lots of people carry guns.  it isn't even against the law.   Does merely having the gun make you a murderer if you are forced to use it?   of course not.  (not yet anyway).

the whole scenario was purposely left ambiguous in order to get a rise out of people and make people jump to conclusions in my opinion.

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« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2006, 09:57:02 AM »
For murder he'd have to do prison time. They need to change the law when a capital offense is committed against a family member you can take revenge on that person with reduced sentence. Just hope the dead boy doesnt have family :)

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