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Offline eagl

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« on: January 20, 2007, 10:36:30 AM »
A thought crept into my brain...

Some people think they DESERVE their salary (or deserve a higher salary), and some people figure that the salary they're being paid motivates them to work harder.  It's sort of a glass half-full vs. half empty sort of question.

So... does your salary motivate you to work hard to deserve to get paid, or do you think you are owed something and deserve your salary because of what you do?  

And regardless of what your answer is, have you ever changed your mind on this issue?

If at least 10 people answer honestly, I'll give my own opinion :)
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2007, 10:42:47 AM »
Almost everyone thinks they deserve more salary.  75% are only motivated at work to do just enough not to get fired.

I think my salary is acceptable for my position, taking the nature of my industry and similar payscales into context.

Does my salary motivate me?  Not really.   I am more motivated at work to perform in a manner that earns respect from my peers and customers, appreciation from my superiors, and job security.  Additonally I work hard as it helps me feel good about myself, allows me a measure of self-respect and allows me to feel I am of value to my employer.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2007, 11:08:12 AM »
I look at it like this...

one day I sat in an interview room and told a bunch of suits that i would in effect  bust my arse to get "my" job done.


Now I do that ... do they still pay me what we agreed on with adjustments based on cost of living? yes

To me spending 8 hours or more pretending to work has got to make for a lot longer eight hours.

if I am not getting paid enough I should renegotiate(ask for a raise ) or go find someone who will pay me more.  

slacking is stealing and going back on your word.

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2007, 11:18:42 AM »
The more I work the more I earn. I'll live on my basic salary, and I can almost double it from provisions and overtime if I work hard and do a bit of overtime now and then. I'm content and it motivates. I've changed my opinion several times allready.

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2007, 11:21:09 AM »
16 tons and whaddaya get....

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 11:26:51 AM »
I believe all my jobs pay fairly.  And I work hard to earn it.  I wouldn't be in the job if I didn't believe it was a fair trade.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 11:39:05 AM »
I wouldn't say I deserve it, but it's flat rate so that tends to even things out.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 11:44:21 AM »
I'm lucky to be in one of those jobs where I am paid more for what I know than I am for what I do...  I am paid fairly, and have no serious complaints, however, I believe the value I provide is greater than the money returned by about 15%.

I am blessed with a boss who understands that value, and is working to correct the 15% error with his superiors.

In short, I believe my employer pays me fairly for my work, and money is not my primary motivator.  Although it probably is my number 2 motivation.  Honestly, my primary motivator is (selfishly) recognition of the work I do.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 11:45:41 AM »
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Originally posted by lukster
16 tons and whaddaya get....

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I have had more motivation from myself to do a job than the salary could provide. Having said that, I did work where I could make a decent wage for the area I live in. It just wasn't the money that motivated me to do my job. It was my own sense of self worth even more than peer recognition. Peer recognition was and IS a great motivator as well but if you consdtantly need outside approval for what you do you'll quickly wear out your welcome with your peers.

What I looked for was pride in my own work and expertise in it. I knew after a while that I was one of the best in my particular field to do the job as it came up. Having a job where things didn't stay static all the time also helped maintain interest as well as the occasional threat to life and limb. Could I have changed my career path and made more even in the same field? Absolutely, but it would have meant giving up a great amount of independence and working in an area I liked to be in.

Later on after I had retired twice I took a job that paid considerably worse and required I work considerably harder (physically) but was still rewarding as it was doing something I liked doing. I also knew my time there was limited until the wife retired then we were outa there. I wasn't there for the money, I was there to do technically challenging work with a good friend. It was worth it to me.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2007, 12:03:10 PM »
im getting a percentage cut of every job we complete.

the glass is full

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 12:22:05 PM »
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
I look at it like this...

one day I sat in an interview room and told a bunch of suits that i would in effect  bust my arse to get "my" job done.


Now I do that ... do they still pay me what we agreed on with adjustments based on cost of living? yes

To me spending 8 hours or more pretending to work has got to make for a lot longer eight hours.

if I am not getting paid enough I should renegotiate(ask for a raise ) or go find someone who will pay me more.  

slacking is stealing and going back on your word.


What he said   :aok      

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 12:28:25 PM »
Interesting that this came up. I just had this discussion with a colleague. My colleague (new young physician just out of training) was up set with some para-professionals complaining about how my employer (government job) gives physician bonuses but not bonuses to the para-professionals. She felt that she "deserved" her bonuses and higher pay because she is a doctor and she worked hard to achieve her current state in life. The para-professionals thought that they "deserved" bonuses too for they worked hard to get to their state in life.

I say who can honestly claim they deserve a certain amount. Wages are determined by those who pay them out. Its dictated by need. Supply and demand. If congress could get out of paying bonuses to my colleage and myself then congress wouldn't bat an eye at cutting my income. I don't claim to deserve what I get, just that I made a certain career choice and was lucky enough to be paid a good wage. Each chooses their path through life. Some do not have the ability to become a doctor, pilot, CEO, or what ever other white collar high paying job.  But the world needs burger flippers too. And I appreciate there are burger flippers in the world, or as some in the good ole USAF say, shoe clerks (non-rated non-aviators).

Any way I think its an act of self humility to look at youself and ask, do you really "deserve" what you have. Before you ask though, think about those less fortunate. Even the poorest in the U.S.A. are wealthy compared to the poor in some parts of the world. I thank God, I was fortunate enough to be born in a country where I could chose my future.

Anyway to the answer: I don't know if I deserve my income, I don't think much about it. I took a pay cut to do the job I'm doing now because I felt I needed to be a part of something more inportant than myself and because I love what I do. I am motivated to do my job by my desire to do the best I can.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2007, 01:05:47 PM »
people are paid just enough to keep them from quiting and they work just hard enough to keep from getting fired.  So in the end it evens out.

(edit) unless your a workaholic like me that thinks a high stress 10 hour day is "fun". :D
« Last Edit: January 20, 2007, 01:10:12 PM by john9001 »

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2007, 01:45:13 PM »
My opinion:

It depends, and I've changed my attitude a few times.  To a certain extent, my attitude has depended on if I feel obligated to provide a return on investment beyond the simple calculation of my worth and rarity as an employee vs. my pay rate.

When I was in high school, my first job was minimum wage doing janitorial and facility maintenance work at a local recreation club.  I was basically paid a wage to do a set of tasks, and although I didn't think as a kid I deserved to get paid any more than min wage, I certainly was not motivated to work any harder than necessary to get the job done well enough to keep my boss from saying I wasn't doing it right.  I ended up quitting that job because although I was working pretty hard (I thought), he came down on me for slacking off.  Nothing had been invested in me other than the usual risk any employer takes when they hire someone, and as a result I felt obligated no further than to do my assigned tasks "good enough".

My next job was the opposite though.  I got a job making around twice min wage in an office environment, and the wage was high enough that I figured I had better be unusually productive to earn such an unusually high salary as a high school student.  For me, this was a complete reversal in attitude about work and my wage, and it was entirely based on the amount of pay.  Although I felt I was "worth" the higher pay, it was because I was doing a job that not everyone could do so I figured I should also be producing more than everyone else.

Still, when it came time to choose between joining the military or an essentially guaranteed internship through college and a very well paying job after graduation, I chose the military.

Later in life after graduating from the Academy, I wasn't making much money as a Lt.  It was enough since I wasn't married, but the other married guys were really struggling especially if they had kids.  At that time, I figured I was a bit underpaid for the following reason - in general, people with my abilities, experience, and training, made far more than I did.  More than double on average in fact.  There were perfectly valid reasons why this was so (mostly payback for the money put into my training), but it's still tough to go to work and do a job that less than 0.1% of the world's population can do, yet get paid what worked out to about $10/hr.  What made it worth it of course, was that the job was exactly what I wanted to do with my life.  The salary was in fact just a bonus because they were paying me to do what I always wanted to do anyway.  In addition, I had signed up for the job in part because I wanted to be part of something bigger than myself.  Even if I hadn't gone to pilot training, I would still be doing a job for a greater cause.

The upshot of this was that I was working only to satisfy my personal desires, internal drive, and sense of duty to fulfill the oath of office I'd taken.  I didn't feel like I owed anyone anything, because the work I was doing out of pure self-motivation in my opinion outweighed the money that had been expended to secure my services.

Over time however, things shifted again.  My conservative estimate is that around $20,000,000 (yea 20 mil) has been spent on my training throughout my career, and I'm getting paid a hell of a lot more now than I used to.  My skills, abilities, experience, and training have further reduced the number of people who are able to do my job as well as I can, but my salary clearly matches the rarity of my qualifications.  So several years ago, my attitude flipped back from "the salary doesn't really match what I'm doing", to "I better work my butt off so what I give the organization matches the resources poured into keeping me on the roster."

It's an external motivator, and frankly it adds stress to my job.  I have an obligation to pay back, to give something tangible back to the organization in order to justify the resources expended on training and retaining me.  As odd as that seems, to a certain extent that is a total de-motivator because I'm working to fulfill someone else's expectations, not my own.

So anyhow, that's the random thought that made me start the thread in the first place... the realization that I quit working for myself a few years ago and that this has negatively impacted how I feel about my job.   I work harder, but it's because I owe something to someone, not because I particularly want to.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2007, 04:43:51 PM »
I earn  my salary.