Author Topic: State Of The Union Address (Read 3467 times)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #120 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:58:16 PM »

Well, I was confused as to why Ayn Rand and the Objectivists were so extreme in their hatred of Libertarians. I now know why.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #121 on:** January 24, 2007, 03:09:49 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
No, the mom is responsible for attempting to provide for the baby. The baby cannot be allowed to starve due to her inadequacies. Would you let it die to teach the mom a lesson?

How is your first sentence different than what I said? It's not about teaching a lesson Mid, it's about making the right decisions that you are able to fulfill. Of course I don't want the baby to starve, don't be ridiculous, but on the other hand if she had been a bit more responsible on her choices, and that's the key, she and her baby wouldn't be in the situation they are in. I'm all for support in any way as long as there is an effort on the part of the parent of the baby to put themselves in a better position for their future. It's all about decisions and choices made and the accountability of those decisions. The baby has no choice in this matter and she put the baby in that situation. What kind of message is, "Have a baby, we'll take care of you no matter you do?" sending to women and men how are less than ideal parents?

Gunthr · « **Reply #122 on:** January 24, 2007, 03:28:04 PM »

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Gunthr, I'd disagree. I think a Libertarian president would face some severe hurdles dealing with and disassembling the entitlements based system both the Republican and Democrats support, but I don't see how it would be impossible. Not by far.
- Chair

i'd love to see it. but none of us ever will. if a libertarian with an upper case "L" were elected, that is, a Libertarian Party member, it would mean that there are many libertarian thinkers in the country.

i concede that in that scenario, a Libertarian Party President of the country would have enough support to actually dismantle parts of government and legislation that are against the libertarian view of the world. But he/she would never become elected without that support in today's reality without abandoning almost all - if not all - of his libertarian principles.

I'm happy with electing leaders that have libertarian (small "l") beliefs who are determined to try and move us in that direction. I guess it just rankles me that somebody running for President in the Libertarian Party seems to be very dishonest to me, considering that if he were actually elected he would not survive without comprimising his beliefs. its just a peeve of mine.

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Chairboy · « **Reply #123 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:20:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
I guess it just rankles me that somebody running for President in the Libertarian Party seems to be very dishonest to me, considering that if he were actually elected he would not survive without comprimising his beliefs. its just a peeve of mine.

I don't get this part. I'm not trying to be dense, I just don't see how you can assert that ANYONE who's a Libertarian who gets elected would by definition have to compromise their belief.

LePaul · « **Reply #124 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:24:11 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
The baby didn't make that choice.

Government is for helping, not a way of life.

And...it also requires those who cant afford children to assume some measure of responsibility.

I'm perpetually amused at these stories we're fed about poor couples, earning minimal wage, no health insurance yet pop out child after child.

Clearly the government isnt sending out the message clearly. We'll help, but we wont be a way of life.

"Single, unwed mother" opens a floodgate of freebies. Section 8 housing, food stamps, free education, yada yada. What do struggling single men get?

Gawd, I'm be a lot wealthier n smarter if I had fallopian tubes!

midnight Target · « **Reply #125 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:24:29 PM »

Isn't Libertarian government an oxymoron?

Chairboy · « **Reply #126 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:30:09 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Isn't Libertarian government an oxymoron?

The emphasis should be on leadership, not government.

Gunthr · « **Reply #127 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:50:29 PM »

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I don't get this part. I'm not trying to be dense, I just don't see how you can assert that ANYONE who's a Libertarian who gets elected would by definition have to compromise their belief. - Chair

semantics, i think. i see libertarianism as a world view, not a political party. politics and politicians and political parties are ALL about compromise. there is an unspoken promise from the Libertarian Party that by voting for them you are voting for a significant change to the status quo. you can see that there isn't much difference in action between the the Democratic and Republican Parties, and i doubt that if by some chance a President would be elected from the Libertarian Party, that it's effective actions would be much different than those of the Dems or Repubs. politicians are potatos.

jhookt · « **Reply #128 on:** January 24, 2007, 05:00:05 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
mt... unfortunately... if you continue to send the message that having a baby out of wedlock will get you an apartment and a credit card and no stigma will be attached...

You will attract more and more people to become unwed mothers. You may have to let 100 suffer so as to not breed 1000 more. which is the real mercy?

lazs

lol you think that you can slow the process simply by letting unfortunate women suffer? i could ask everyone i know if thier mother's ever told them not to touch a hot stove. find me one that listened. even better find me that didn't touch the stove. but i guess you and diablo will credit that to bad parenting.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #129 on:** January 24, 2007, 05:02:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
I didn't catch the address live. The transcript read good to me regarding domestic issues, but I was puzzled that the President didn't say more to prepare Americans for an increasingly probable tactical nuclear attack on Iran's suspect nuclear sites. It is THE most important issue as far as I'm concerned. Maybe the SOTU address was not the proper venue... or maybe they are waiting for a smoking gun.

I hope your being sarcastic when you say you were puzzled the president didnt threaten to nuke Iran:huh

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #130 on:** January 24, 2007, 05:09:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
No, there is a supply of board members who are CEO's themselves and realize that a vote for high pay for one will raise all CEO boats.

shamus

You dont think the board gets a special gift from the idiot who just trashed the company and they gave him a quarter billion dollar severance package, do ya? Imagine that, 'You idiot!!! Youre fired!!!!!!!!!!!' Heres 260 million dollars, dont let the door hit in the arse!"

I wish i could follow that guy for a cupple days.

Gunthr · « **Reply #131 on:** January 24, 2007, 05:11:42 PM »

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I hope your being sarcastic when you say you were puzzled the president didnt threaten to nuke Iran - Whitehawk

did i say that? actually, i wanted the president to speak more about the actual dangers of nuclear proliferation that we are facing. i don't believe in threats. in any event, i would think that two battle groups in the gulf speak loudly enought without blowing a lot of hot air. aren't you curious to know more about what might be the policy of our administration on how we intend to deal with nuclear proliferation, or would you rather not know?

i assure you plans are being made, training is going on in Turkey, Iraq, Israel and in the USA for delivery of nuclear warheads. i'd like to hear more about it since it does effect the state of the union, don't you think?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #132 on:** January 24, 2007, 05:57:54 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason they make so much money is because they are worth so much money to the company? You didn't, because you're a communist (as opposed to a socialist). You think that every job is equally difficult and thus should be paid equally.

That's right. when you cant come up with a logical argument or valid counterpoint. start in with the name calling.
and then put words in my mouth I never said or even insinuated.

Makes you look like a real rocket scientist

If I owned a widget factory
I'd take someone with no degree in anything who has been in the business for 20 years and worked their way up from janitor through the company by actually being involved and knowing all about widgets and the production thereof. Then I would someone with a degree in say Liberal Arts and Sciences.

they at least know something about the business

Just seems to me that if you are going to do a job. or if your going to get hired for a job because of a degree. you should at least have a degree in the field of work your doing.

Hence if I want to hire someone because of a degree they should have a degree in widgets
and most of the Execs I've come across not only don't have a degree in their field. But don't have half a clue as to the workings of the company beyond their office

Hence they are overvalued and over paid.

What happened? You luck out and land yourself a cushy job you are neither qualified for nor experienced in nor hold a degree in?
You fall into that category and now feel threatened by my comment?

You seem kinda oversensitive to if your not.

RightF00T · « **Reply #133 on:** January 24, 2007, 06:02:28 PM »

Did anyone count how many times Pelosi blinked? Good god, she looked angry.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #134 on:** January 24, 2007, 06:15:47 PM »

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they at least know something about the business

Fine. What would you say if I went out and removed every single CEO and high paid officer in every company? And by remove, I mean that me and them are going on a vacation to an island in the South Pacific with scantily clad women and fruity drinks.

We'll come back when WE want to.

What do you think would happen to industry?