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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 09:31:13 PM »
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Whats to stop a president from pardoning himself?


Constitutionallly I don't think he CAN pardon himself.  I honestly don't think he's done anything (that I'm aware of besides all the conspiracy nuts) that would deserve a pardoning.

The only thing this president has done IMHO wrong is not sticking to the conservative base that elected him.

He could have been.....presidential.  Instead he's just Bush.

EDIT:  On the flipside the only thing the democrats have done in the last 6 years is oppose him.  Being opposed to something is not a stance and that is something they will have to get sorely used to.  Something I think they will fail at.

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2007, 09:53:22 PM »
Now if we can just stumble onto one of Condi's blue dresses...
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2007, 11:14:38 PM »
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Now if we can just stumble onto one of Condi's blue dresses...


more likely just before Hillary is elected studly bill will be involved in a sex scandal in his Harlem office.

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2007, 06:43:20 AM »
President Bush would have to be found guilty of some criminal offense to even need pardoned & so far he hasn't broken any laws, unlike Clinton who was impeached & still didn't need pardoned. Last time I checked perjury & obstruction of justice were criminal offenses, at least it would be for common folk like us.

 Scooter Libby stole classified documents & all he got was a $50,000 fine; they should shoot him for treason.

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2007, 07:13:04 AM »
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more likely just before Hillary is elected studly bill will be involved in a sex scandal in his Harlem office.


that would just increase voter support from their mindless base ...

when a republican wins the WH in 08 there will be great whining I predict :)
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2007, 07:30:19 AM »
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President Bush would have to be found guilty of some criminal offense to even need pardoned & so far he hasn't broken any laws, unlike Clinton who was impeached & still didn't need pardoned. Last time I checked perjury & obstruction of justice were criminal offenses, at least it would be for common folk like us.

 Scooter Libby stole classified documents & all he got was a $50,000 fine; they should shoot him for treason.


That was not Libby that was Sandy Berger.

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2007, 07:32:37 AM »
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Now if we can just stumble onto one of Condi's blue dresses...


Thanks for THAT mental image. :mad:

On the other hand, better her than Janet Reno.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2007, 07:32:51 AM »
I think the president should pardon the hottie nco who posed for playboy!

Oh wait, that would have been the LAST president.  Nevermind.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2007, 07:33:49 AM »
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I think the president should pardon the hottie nco who posed for playboy!


There's an idea I can get behind.

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2007, 08:13:47 AM »
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That was not Libby that was Sandy Berger.


 Oh this is the guy that "leaked" the name of the CIA employee. My mistake, there is so much corruption & wrongdoing in Washington D.C. it's hard to keep track of who did what.

 I suppose in this instance I would have to say it hinges on the question; Was Valerie Plame an "operative" as in undercover, or was she just a CIA employee. Those are two different things. I heard she was not in a covert role.
 
 Bush shouldn't pardon him either way. We have courts for a reason.

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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2007, 09:22:37 AM »
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Oh this is the guy that "leaked" the name of the CIA employee. My mistake, there is so much corruption & wrongdoing in Washington D.C. it's hard to keep track of who did what.

 I suppose in this instance I would have to say it hinges on the question; Was Valerie Plame an "operative" as in undercover, or was she just a CIA employee. Those are two different things. I heard she was not in a covert role.
 
 Bush shouldn't pardon him either way. We have courts for a reason.


It hinges on nothing.  Libby, Rove, Bush, Cheney, et.al. had nothing to do with the "leak".  

Richard Armitage was the source of the "leak".

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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2007, 09:35:57 AM »
of course you are correct there donzo but please look at my sig line.

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2007, 10:44:16 AM »
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President Bush would have to be found guilty of some criminal offense to even need pardoned & so far he hasn't broken any laws, unlike Clinton who was impeached & still didn't need pardoned. Last time I checked perjury & obstruction of justice were criminal offenses, at least it would be for common folk like us.

 Scooter Libby stole classified documents & all he got was a $50,000 fine; they should shoot him for treason.
Wow, so much misinformation in that statement it boggles the mind. Was Nixon found guilty of anything before Ford pardoned him?

Once again for those that slept thru Government class:
Impeachment = charged with a crime, not convicted of anything. It's like a grand jury indictment. Impeachment means NOTHING.

Trial = Guilt or innocence is determined and punishment is decided.

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2007, 04:14:11 PM »
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Wow, so much misinformation in that statement it boggles the mind. Was Nixon found guilty of anything before Ford pardoned him?

Once again for those that slept thru Government class:
Impeachment = charged with a crime, not convicted of anything. It's like a grand jury indictment. Impeachment means NOTHING.

Trial = Guilt or innocence is determined and punishment is decided.

Be cool. Stay in school! A mind is a terrible thing to waste.



 Impeachment is for removing a sitting president from office; it's got nothing to do with a grand jury indictment & it means a lot! To say it means nothing is silly. You have to impeach a president before criminal charges can be brought against them iirc. You can't pardon someone for something they haven't done; Nixon admitted his culpability making him guilty by his own words iirc, therefore pardonable.

I never said Impeachment meant guilt, you just implied that I did. Maybe you should take your own advice about that schooling, I made straight A's in my American govt. classes, did you?


Oh Donzo, since you say you know who did what maybe you should go & testify before all those money wasting hearings since apparently no one else knows; I'll say it again, no pardon that's why we have courts. IF Libby did what his accusers say he did, then I believe his guilt would hinge on if there was a crime committed. It's not a crime unless Plame's identity was protected by law. Not all CIA employees are.
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2007, 05:21:24 PM »
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It's not a crime unless Plame's identity was protected by law. Not all CIA employees are.


You couldn't be more wrong on this point.

Libby's in trouble for lying to both the Grand Jury and to the Special Prosecuter.

Plame's status has absolutly no significance to his trial as of this moment.


Now it seems that Darth Cheny is going to be in some deep fecal mater, Ari has immunity and is working with Fitz.

The only reason this trial is happening is because people in the Whitehouse decided that politics and protecting their party came first above truth and justice. Not suprising considering who is occupying the peoples house.