A G10!!!!!!

[Krusty]

Tikky, don't bump dead posts.

Had you READ this thread, (doubt it) you'd find that wrag in his quest to request the G-10 had some blinders on.

Don't get me wrong, we've all done it once or twice. This was just one of his times.

The gap between G-14 and K-4 "right now" is minimal. There is a very small performance gap between the two up until the G14s FTH. Then the K-4 keeps going.

G10s came out the same time as K4s. So putting both in would fill no time gap. The performance difference would be so small (10mph up to 16k if you split the difference between G14 and K4) that it would be the same plane. If anything, a G6/AS or a G14/AS would be a better gap-filler.

Wrag just wants more weapons options back on his 109K-4, like it used to have. That wasn't historically accurate. We aren't getting that back.

P.S. Stop bumping dead threads.

[wrag]

I want a plane that accelerates more like a K4.

The acceleration on the G14 is sooooo slow!  Even with wep.

And the preformance difference, even it it was just 10mph, IMHO would be worth it.

AND I'd be happy with a G10 if it ONLY had a 20mm hub, 13mm cowl guns, NO GONDS option!!!!!!

It could be like a G2, with slightly better speed, climb, and acceleration, but with 13mm cowl guns and 20mm hub, and i'd be happy.

Krusty keeps claiming they are the same planes.  I differ on that opinion.  Everything I have read so far the G10 is faster [408 G14 vs 425 G10] (perhaps just slightly by some reports), climbs slightly better, and accelerates better then the G14.

So IMHO they are NOT identical planes with identical preformance.  The G10, from what I've read, would fit right between the G14 and the K4 in ALL catagories, speed, acceleration, climb, better E retention, etc.

In fact much of what I've read the K4 was developed form the G10 and NOT the G14 for a REASON!

[wrag]

Originally posted by Krusty
Tikky, don't bump dead posts.

Had you READ this thread, (doubt it) you'd find that wrag in his quest to request the G-10 had some blinders on.

Don't get me wrong, we've all done it once or twice. This was just one of his times.

The gap between G-14 and K-4 "right now" is minimal. There is a very small performance gap between the two up until the G14s FTH. Then the K-4 keeps going.

G10s came out the same time as K4s. So putting both in would fill no time gap. The performance difference would be so small (10mph up to 16k if you split the difference between G14 and K4) that it would be the same plane. If anything, a G6/AS or a G14/AS would be a better gap-filler.


Wrag just wants more weapons options back on his 109K-4, like it used to have. That wasn't historically accurate. We aren't getting that back.

P.S. Stop bumping dead threads.

It's just possible that some others see the preformance GAP between the G14 and the K4?

A gap that a G10 would and could fill.  I've read what you posted and followed the links.

I disagree!  The preformance differences even if it was just better acceleration would be worth it!

[Mus51]

Bump


G10 is great for new players who want to fly LW planes.

[Karnak]

Bump


G10 is great for new players who want to fly LW planes.

How?  It offers nothing the G-14 and K-4 don't already offer.  It is slower than the K-4 at altitude and was introduced a month later than the K-4.

The only additional Bf109 that we truly need is a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14AS.

[SmokinLoon]

The G-14 is closer to the K-4 that most think.  No, the low level speed is not the same, and the G-2 is faster up high, but the G-14's strength is in it's WEP and low-mid level climb.  Also, it is no where as quirky as the K-4, either. 

I'd be happy with HTC adding in the 30mm option for the G-6.  Then AH has covered the 109 series as well as the Spitfires, P40's, P47's, P38's, and now the Hurricanes.   

[Raphael]

a thread necromancer, can it really be true?

[MK-84]

a thread necromancer, can it really be true?

Ignoring the thread.  The video in your sig is very well done.

[Raphael]

Thank you very much, sir 
pm sent.

[Karnak]

The G-14 is closer to the K-4 that most think.  No, the low level speed is not the same, and the G-2 is faster up high, but the G-14's strength is in it's WEP and low-mid level climb.  Also, it is no where as quirky as the K-4, either. 

I'd be happy with HTC adding in the 30mm option for the G-6.  Then AH has covered the 109 series as well as the Spitfires, P40's, P47's, P38's, and now the Hurricanes.   

Bf109s are covered as well as the Spitfires right now.  Both airframes are missing a single needed model.  The Bf109s need a high altitude version with an earlier entry date than the Bf109K-4 such as the Bf109G-6/As or Bf109G-14/AS and the Spitfires need the major Seafire model, the L.Mk III.

[MrKrabs]

I still have nightmares from where we used to have the G-10

[Karnak]

I still have nightmares from where we used to have to G-10

We never had the Bf109G-10.  We had a Bf109K-4 labeled as a Bf109G-10 with options for 20mm cannons.  Its performance was that of a Bf109K-4.  So far as I know, the old "Bf109G-10" and our current Bf109K-4 perform exactly the same if you took the "Bf109G-10" with just the 30mm cannon.

[MrKrabs]

Missed the point!!!!! 

[EagleDNY]

I think HTC is always going to have a problem modeling the 109s - there are just too many variations to take into account for each model.  You have 6 different models of the DB-605, plus 2 different sets of boost equipment all being installed into the same model airframe.   A G-14 might have a DB605A, AS, AM, ASB, ASC, ASM, or D model engine -- and each one has a different maximum output at different altitudes.  Couple that with the MW-50 injection, or the GM-1 nitrous injection and you have even more variations to deal with.   Throw in the armament variations and all the various R mods and it is a nightmare.

That said - the G14 we have is a medium altitude model.   The G10 is essentially a high-altitude (DB605D) equipped G series airframe and because of this has some armament options that were different from the K-4.  My Janes has the G-10 doing a max of 428mph at 24,250 ft and the K-4 doing 440mph at 24,600 ft.   Our G-14, while it COULD have the DB605D (and thus fill the role of a hi-alt 109 with MG151s) obviously does not. 

To my mind the G-10 / G-14 difference is the same as the Spit VIII / Spit IX difference, or the Spit XIV / XVI difference - pretty much the same airframe, just optimized for a different altitude band. 

I wouldn't mind seeing the G-10 make a comeback as an ACTUAL G-10 (and not the K-4 with 20mm option that we had) so that we have a high-altitude 109 with 20mms.  If you want to differentiate it even more, you could give the G-10 the DB-605 DB (C3 fuel, or B4 fuel + MW 50 boost @ 1,850 hp) and the K-4 the DB-605 DC (C3 fuel + MW 50 boost @ 2,000 hp). 

[Hazard69]

Ignoring the thread.  The video in your sig is very well done.

Wow that is one awesome video.  Nice filmwork. 

Oh and uh......hijack complete!