Vista Ultimate

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Well being Norwegian one thing is clear: He like Vista is expensive.

Only if alot of the money goes into taxes for welfare purposes.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Lazs, a lot of this stuff with Vista is design decisions at MS, not bugs at all.  The performance loss is related to the design goals MS implemented.  Again, not a bug.

Almost all the design goals center around DRM/HDCP, but effect everything to some degree.

XP wil lbe supported for another seven years.  By then, something else will hopefully be available to replace the OS with.  I cannot consider the current incarnation of Vista to be a replacement.

Mustaine, I think most of the professionals will simply stay with XP until they get Linux versions of the software.  I cannot see them going back to Apple.  Some may, some may not.  Right now a number of studios are using Linux, so for them this is a non-issue.

I will not be buying an Apple.  I cannot stand the interface.  I am barely tolerant of Windows.  Apple is even more constraining than Windows is as it pertains to actually being able to do what you want.
Linux would be my other personal choice for an OS.

Perhaps Hitech will make a Linux version of AH??????????????????????

Is such doable?  If so I might very happily switch to Linux!

[republic]

I've installed Vista on a 2nd partition.  Aces High loads correctly, but my joystick doesn't seem to work (Microsoft Sidewinder 2).  In the map controls area I can see the values change as I move the stick around and it 'sees' button presses..but while in plane nothing happens.

For a clean install, the OS is incredibly "fat".  Maybe it's the 'super duper prefetching' but there is an incredible amount of hard drive access (even though I have 2gb of ram).  To my dismay, much of the 'user' files have changed...took me forever to find the right place to put my Thunderbird/Mozilla/iTunes application data folders from my other partition.

The interface is nice but...coming from OSX...it's just not that impressive.  I see a lot of potential once 3rd party people get ahold of it...

Surprisingly, most of my programs work fine.  I performed a crucial test to see if Vista would remain on my hard drive...I loaded up DosBox and played Star Trek 25th Anniversary.    I'm a sucker for old games.

More testing to come.  So far only the joystick bug, any ideas Skuzzy?

[dmf]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Home Basic lacks a lot of the tools XP has, but is essentially a stripped down XP with all the DRM and .NET drivers attached.

And Kurt, if the game is running the same for you on Vista as it did on XP, then you had a very poor installation of XP.  It is technically impossible for any game to run the same under Vista as compared to XP due to the extra layers of software added to all the drivers in Vista to handle DRM.

On every clean installation comparison of XP to Vista, games run anywhere from 10% to 30% slower on Vista.  I find that to be a reasonable performance degradation given all the added software layers everything has to go through in Vista.

The sound is going to be worse as MS has pulled support for DirectSound.  All games using DirectSound have been routed through the Windows sound API, which is slower and sounds worse.  You may even lose 3D sound positioning on some cards.

I still haven't put Aces High on here yet, but if I lose game performance, then I have 2 choices, either give up AH, or reload this thing with XP LMAO. I'm still in the process of transferring stuff from the old pos to the new pos

[republic]

Originally posted by dmf
give up AH

*GASP*

Never!  That's the only reason I put Vista on a 2nd partition...so no matter what...Aces High is safe.  

In time, AH will be made to be all cuddly with Vista...unfortunately it's the way things are.  The developers are forced to jump through Billy's hoops again and again...

I was perfectly happy with XP, but as a sysadmin I have to get as familiar with Vista as I can be, as quickly as I can.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nilsen, as avatars are representative of the person they are attached to.  Would that mean you are bloated, slow, problematic, unreliable, and just generally irritating?  

Man Im glad I just got done swallowing my coffee before I read that one.

I hate when my coffee exits though my nose.
Particularly when its been sweetened with Irish cream

[BTW]

I'm guessing Vista will be a WinME type fart. A good product shouldn't inspire hate mail:rolleyes:

[BluKitty]

Originally posted by Skuzzy

Mustaine, I think most of the professionals will simply stay with XP until they get Linux versions of the software.  I cannot see them going back to Apple.  Some may, some may not.  Right now a number of studios are using Linux, so for them this is a non-issue.
[...]
Linux would be my other personal choice for an OS.
[...]
There is $15,000.00 worth of software sitting on a shelf which will never run on Vista due to the changes MS has made. I call that problematic and irritating of a company to intentionally kill some very high end software applications.

So I would like to ask if HTC as any long term plans for an alternate OS with Aces High...It seems many companies have relied on Microsoft systems which seems to be an unstable future and a huge risk for any business.  

Linux has made alot of progress in the last several years, and I heard Google is going to take a shot at an OS.  

Linux has become as simple as Microsoft products to install, and RPM's are bringing flavors like RedHat near the 'idiot proof' relam of Windows, for installing software.

I would likely never use Windows agin if AH were ported to a Linux platform.  It's still not quite as userfreindly as XP, but many window managers look sleek and are full of useful GUI tools and 'wigets' by default.

It's hard to move away from a windows dominated market, but you are putting all your eggs in one basket by doing so, or so it seems to me.

So my simple question would be, is an alternate OS even in the discussion for the future of AcesHigh?

[Irwink!]

I posted some first impressions of how AH runs under Vista in the Hardware & Software forum. I'm not gonna repeat it all here other than to say the performance with my setup was acceptable but not as good as running under XP with the same hardware.

I've had few problems. My six year old HP Photosmart P1000 will not work. HP gave the response quoted earlier that they will not be doing a Vista driver for that printer.

I intend to load up a bunch of different apps and games this weekend just to see how it handles them. So far the only thing I tried that has problems is a version of Nero's DVD/CD burning stuff. It installed and the media player part of it works. That's all I've tried. It was listed as software that was known to have problems so whatever part of it doesn't work, it will come as no suprise. The only game I've tried other that AH is Far Cry - not new but I love that game and hadn't played it awhile. With all the graphics  settings at max and no tweaking of Vista it was great.

No crashes, no intense HD activity, unlike what someone else stated. No problems with any harware detection and function other than the aforementioned printer.

For the Linux guys - a couple of weeks ago I installed AH on Xandros Pro 4.1 via Codeweavers Crossover. It installed fine but when I ran it it stopped at the supported Nvidia (FX 5500 on that box) drivers and said it didn't like them - get another driver... Looked good for a few minutes!

DISCLAIMER!! None of the above should be construed in any way as an endorsement of Vista, MS, Bill Gates, the Antichrist, the benefits of global warming, Hillary in '08 or whatever else you can think of.

[dmf]

Originally posted by republic
*GASP*

Never!  That's the only reason I put Vista on a 2nd partition...so no matter what...Aces High is safe.  

In time, AH will be made to be all cuddly with Vista...unfortunately it's the way things are.  The developers are forced to jump through Billy's hoops again and again...

I was perfectly happy with XP, but as a sysadmin I have to get as familiar with Vista as I can be, as quickly as I can.

Trust me I never said I wanted to give up AH, although my life doesn't revolve around the game I do enjoy it.
As for Ah running in vista, I transfered it from my old computer to this one, and everything works, I think I might have lost about 8-12 fps, and thats all, I should be able to tweak a video setting and fix that

[detch01]

Before anyone installs vista they should read the fine print in the user's agreement. Case in point.

[EagleDNY]

Just as an FYI (from a MS developer)...  Microsoft has never come out with a windows operating system that was stable until the 3rd pass thru in it's entire history.  I never touch a new version of windows until at least a year has passed and MS has a chance to find and fix some of the more hideous bugs and security holes.

Vista isn't giving me anything that I need.  I use removable drive bays, so I have Win 2K Sp4, Win Xp Pro Sp2, and Win 2K3 Server setups for my machine.  My Win 98SE setup finally had to be moved to another older machine since it couldn't support my new NVidia graphics card.  

Don't jump on that Vista bandwagon yet - make them get it right before you buy.  

EagleDNY
$.02

[dmf]

The kid down the street bought a new computer like I did and wiped vista off of it and put his old copy of xp in it. He said that most of the stuff he has is running with xp, so isn't that  a thought if anybody has game problems with vista? I have some fps loss using external in H2H, but over all if I use internal view only I get better fps than ever before, and thats with no video card, just the on board graphics.

[Skuzzy]

If you are getting better performance with Vista, than with XP, it is only due to you having a poor installation of XP.  There is absolutely no way Vista can outperform XP.

This is a common misunderstanding.  Most people have trashed installations of XP and most do not even know it.  This is simply due to the ludicrous installation options MS defaulted XP to, which over time gauranteed XP to run very poorly.

Vista, by its very design, cannot run faster than XP on the same hardware, even if more RAM is installed.

[lukster]

Fry's has a sale on Creative Labs x-fi cards and since Vista will not detect my aging Audigy I replaced it. Argh! Vista will not detect the new card either. Tried the usual swap to different pci slot etc... Works fine in XP. Did I say argh!!!?