Libertarians

[lazs2]

awmac...  a lot of the things you ask for the socialist democrats all pretend to want anyway... you are just a democrat who likes nativity scenes.   Free everything for everyone... the government can afford it right?  Protect the unions by making everything more and more expensive and for gowds sake.....  The saintly teachers deserve even more money for their part time work!!

Did your wife help you with your list?

eagl..  the libertarian ideas on immigration are not wrong if you look at it in the context of the whole.    What would first have to happen is the collapse of the welfare system.     No free anything.. no awmac candyland with the U.S. as a huge girngerbread house on the border.

Once that happened...  the mexicans, or whoever, would get whatever wages someone was willing to pay and no more...  It would hardly be worth coming over and staying if you got no services.

A way to prove this would work was the brasero program of old... with no services the workers would live on the farms they worked in shacks or mobile units until the work was done... they would save their money and then go home with it at the end of the season...  they knew they could not afford to live here or bring their family here with their limited skills and earning power.


The democrats changed that... they feel that no matter how limited you are that you deserve a level of standard of living.. that you should be subsidized up to that point.. they feel that even a person who comes here illegally deserves it and that we should pay it.    Awmac wants to make it even more attractive for them.

lazs

[lasersailor184]

Liberals are uneducated. They eat their cake, then sue because they get fat.

Disagree.  The ratio of educated liberals is probably the same as the ratio of educated republicans.  What you fail to realize is that education can not change fundamental beliefs.

[bustr]

Originally posted by AWMac
And my reponse?



Ruin the Country?

2: 2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.

*You have to be kidding me! You actually belive outsourcing is in the best means for Americans?


Mac

Mac,

The corporation I was just laid off from in kalifornia has a mandate to reduce fixed assets in its IT devision by 10% EVERY YEAR no exceptions to help meet it's projected QUARTERLY growth for the next 10 years...... Because it can no longer grow inside the U.S. by aquisitions due to Federal limitations, it has a global growth initiative. One of it's strategies was a cash purchase of 19% of a Chinese national corporation to leverage that market. You can guess other global markets it is attempting to and has expanded into. To not incure fixed asset costs in global locations, local out sourcing support vendors are being leveraged by contract. At the same time like Microsoft, Oracle and IBM tech centers are being put in place in India to leverage the "currently cheap and college educated labor force". In 10 years this labor force will evolve into an expensive asset and american corporations will be looking for the next emerging cheap vendor. Possibely that will be back here in the U.S. at the rate we are not graduating computer science engineers.

U.S. corporations now define the employee as a fixed asset. Fixed assets are looked upon as a liability, especially in todays global markets where fluid assets are the measure of a competitors health. Global competitivness is driving outsourceing to reduce labor costs. The real answer is to get american corporations to invest in finding long term answers to make hiring americans cost effective quarter to quarter. If you could use the power of the federal government to force all american companies to drop their foreign vendors and rehire amarican workers at this point, then the federal government would have to engage in true welfare bail outs like the airlines and railroads. It would damage our economy.

Federal Power is never the answer in a free market...government does not make money, it only knows how to take money from the productive segments of society.