Author Topic: zeke killin (Read 978 times)

df54 · « **on:** February 12, 2007, 05:15:13 PM »

there should be a forum devoted exclusively to zeke killin. They get way too many kills for such a crappy little plane. Nobody(including me) knows how to deal with them. effectively. Anybody got any zeke killin' films.

McDeath · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:25:03 PM »

boom and zoom buddy

Lusche · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:25:46 PM »

Easy. Just don't turn with them.

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:45:57 PM »

Well, your first error is underestimating it by thinking it is crappy. It is actually quite capable, within its performance envelope.

Just stay out of that envelope.

trotter · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:46:39 PM »

in all honesty, and im not trying to brag or make you sound stupid, but I find zekes one of the easiest planes to kill in the game. just look at em wrong and they light up like a yule log. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at...do you mean they are manueverable? Just take that into account when calculating your shots, and dont get into a turn fight with them.

edit- this got me curious, and I checked up on my kill stats against zekes this tour. I did a lot worse against them than I thought. Sneaky little buggers.

trotter · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:48:46 PM »

and yes, karnak is right, within their abilities they are quite capable. just very outclassed by later war planes.

Mace2004 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2007, 07:11:01 PM »

There's no plane that can turn with it and it's got decent guns. B&Zers are not much of a problem as long as you see them and you have half-way decient timing....it's the pickers.

So, how do you kill one? Some guys who say they're doing B&Z are really just picking the Zeke when he's latched onto someone else's six...the usual place for a Zeke. Pure B&Z takes lots of time against an aware Zeke, you'll probably run out of paitence because it's very hard to beat a Zeke down to parade rest. If you have a plane that works the vertical than use a good vertical e-fight. Staying fast across the bottom to keep him from getting a guns solution works but be careful of trying to rope him, Zeke's climb real well. If he's on your six at altitude dive away because over about 300 mph the Zeke really stiffens up and then tends to roll right so dive, do a hard, nose-high pull to the left and barrel roll into him if you can get the overshoot. If you're in a phone booth with him and absolutely got to kill him then sell everything for a shot (it doesn't take but a couple of rounds) but you'll probably lose a straight flaps down turnfight. If you sell everything and still don't get him you're best choice is to run like....errrr..."extend".

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2007, 07:47:35 PM »

Another point I would make is that people often engage an A6M expecting a replay of the Marianas Turkey Shoot, but forget two key factors in that event, the American Pilots and the Japanese Pilots. The Japanese veteran pilots had suffered heavy losses and our well trained boys were going up against Japanese pilots with minimal training. When we did meet a Japanese veteran the A6M was still a very difficult oponent.

How does this relate to AH?

Well, in AH, on average, the pilot skill in the A6M and the pilot skill in the opposing fighter are more or less even, eliminating a huge factor in the Marianas Turkey Shoot and denying the AH player the ability to slaughter A6Ms wholesale.

Hazard69 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2007, 10:12:34 AM »

I have always said the following about zekes:
"better to have one on your six thats falling, than to have one in your sights as you are turning".

The thing is, whilst the zeke is an awesome turner, and is pretty damn fast......it cant do both at the same time.......
Im usually in a P38, and if I am going at 300+ with the zeke trailing me at about 1.5K-2K, I will actually begin turning cause my instantaneous turn rate is on par if not better. Once that speed drops to about 250, I will start a slight zoom climb at about 3K-4Kfps.
The slow zoom really seems to suck the E out of the zeke. At about 200mph start making your zoom mor n more vertical. If the zeke follows you hes dead, cause when you stall out and ram back down, hell be pretty helpless.
Its called a rope a dope. And almost everyone falls for it once in a while.

If you see that the zeke doesn't take the bait, then youve got a smart foe. Be wary and use superior speed or zoom climbs to eventually suck the E out of him.
Never turn if u have a smart bandit in a zeke. Toughest pairup is a P40 vs a A6M. Now thats a good fight....LOL!

titanic3 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2007, 06:41:43 PM »

here's an idea who doesn't need any shooting or hard manuvering. wait until zeke is at ur 6' but make sure ur not in his gun range,1.5k will do. If ur flying a plane with strong airframe and ok turning read the following.(also u have to be at 10k or more to do this)

once he's 1.5k behind you, dive down straight, if he's stupid enough to follow, keep diving straight. after like 20 seconds his wing would just rip apart because of weak airframe. if he doesn't, pull up, head straight to any friendly planes for help (for noobs). if ur a expert, do watever you do to kill it.

(8 out of 10 times, he would lose it flimsy wings)

Rolex · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2007, 07:23:19 PM »

I think the M5 is a fun little plane to fly, if you're in the mood to frustrate other players, and is a good platform for improving SA. Everyone will think you're an easy kill, so you'll have plenty of targets to track.

A well flown A6M5, like the Hurri IID, can survive and succeed in a 1 vs. 3 fight.

If you use a sound file with a little less lawnmower and more rumble in it, she's even more satisfying to fly.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2007, 08:18:52 AM »

They have a very limited vertical. Just take em up and park on top. As you roll in you merely need to roll your wings with their turns and light em up on the pass. If you miss...take em up again, repeat, rinse....move on to the next fight.

Hope this helps.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2007, 09:45:39 AM »

I used to be wary of Zekes. My success rate against them was poor. Now I look forward to going head to head with them.

So far this camp I've killed 9 Zekes and been killed by only 2.

Most of these have been in head-to-head turn fights (I did have one last night that I took while a fellow countryman roped him).

Just bring the right plane. I find the Hurri, Spit V and FM2 all to be capable in a turn fight with a Zeke but if you're not in one of the better turn fighters then don't play their game.

GooseAW · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2007, 09:06:16 AM »

FM2 owns the zeke! Watch out for that initial climb though!

macleod01 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2007, 12:49:25 PM »

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Originally posted by trotter
and yes, karnak is right, within their abilities they are quite capable. just very outclassed by later war planes.

Outclassed? I would never say any plane is outclassed. Youve got to learn how to handle them. Take the hurricane Mk 1 for example. Thats my main ride, even in the LW. The hurricane is more than a competent match for the LA. The main risk for me is a spit 16 might jump in ahead of me and get my kill! Dont underestimate EW planes.

Infact, the only plane im really seriously afraid of, and will either run from or ask for all the help I can get with, is a Zeke. I absolutly cak myself if one ups. Only plane that can really turn with a Hurri. REally dont underestimate them. It will be your worst mistake on that mission. But Zeke's are good planes. Quoting from a book I have.
'It was also a singularly unpleasant shock to US and British staff which had apparantly never studied the behaviour of this fighter in China or even discovered its existance'

Beware of the Zeke....

And the hurri Mk1 !!