Author Topic: What's Your Single Issue Voting Flash Point? (Read 2417 times)

Yeager · « **Reply #45 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:57:56 PM »

Its a womans issue and men should stay the hell out of it.
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DREDIOCK · « **Reply #46 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:07:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Its a womans issue and men should stay the hell out of it.
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Roll your eyes all you want but thats just the way it is.
You have no say. period. And untill you do have a say. One way or the other. And untill you can also opt out of a pregnancy She has all the power and you have none

Its a womans issue

Neither you nor anyone else has nor should have the right ot tell a woman what they can and cant do with their body any more then any woman should have the right to tell you what you can and cant do with yours.

Want to make it fair. Pass a law that also allows women to tell men they HAVE to get a vasectomy

NOT · « **Reply #47 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:09:06 AM »

Abortion is murder

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But murder is "1. the unlawful and malicious or premeditated killing of one human being by another;" (Webster's New World Dictionary). Kill is "1. to cause the death; make die."

Woman decides she dont want baby, makes concious decision to have baby killed. IMHO

NOT

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #48 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:11:32 AM »

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Originally posted by BMnot
Abortion is murder

Woman decides she dont want baby, makes concious decision to have baby killed. IMHO

NOT

and a classic example of someone trying to force their particular set of beleifs on another.

Cant have it. Sorry

Mr No Name · « **Reply #49 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:16:05 AM »

Illegal Immigration and repatriation of all illegals and their offspring.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #50 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:23:36 AM »

Actually abortion is a pretty poor flashpoint.
Its not going anywhere significantly so might as well get used to it one way or the other.
Oh sure they will be some changes here and there going both ways. But neither side is ever going to get exactly everything they want on this issue.
And one side will get it headed one way. Then the other side comes to power and get it headed back the other.

In all fairness. If both sides are howling about it. its probably right about where it should be.

In any event. its not going to change all that much.
Bush and the right had their big chance and its still there so whats that tell you about where its going? Nowhere.

So the entire arguement over it being a "flashpoint" is pointless. Other then to villify one side or the other in campaign stomping.

Might as well move on to the others on the list that effect the country as a whole rather then just one specific subject that effects only a relitivly small portion of the population (Safe to say most people dont get abortions)

Yeager · « **Reply #51 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:28:31 AM »

Roll your eyes all you want but thats just the way it is.
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NOT · « **Reply #52 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:31:01 AM »

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and a classic example of someone trying to force their particular set of beleifs on another.

exactly what am i trying to "force" on anyone?? I just gave an opinion like everyone else. You dont have to agree with it.

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DREDIOCK · « **Reply #53 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:31:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Roll your eyes all you want but thats just the way it is.
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LMAO you can laugh too.
Still wont change a thing

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #54 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:32:55 AM »

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Originally posted by BMnot
exactly what am i trying to "force" on anyone?? I just gave an opinion like everyone else. You dont have to agree with it.

NOT

EXACTLY

NOT · « **Reply #55 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:36:59 AM »

It is obvious you disagree, however, i would still like an explanation on how my post in any way "forced" any thing on anyone.

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DREDIOCK · « **Reply #56 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:49:27 AM »

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Originally posted by BMnot
It is obvious you disagree, however, i would still like an explanation on how my post in any way "forced" any thing on anyone.

NOT

Ok forced my have been to strong a term.
but you are phrasing it in a way as to impose what you feel something is as fact.
As you stated. I dont have to agree.

Thats exactly my point and exactly why abortion cant be made illegal.
There are many who dont agree.
And one cannot impose one set of beleifs on the populous as a whole
Just as you cant impose one religeon on the populous as a whole

The way it exists now is the only fair way to all sides on the issue.
If you dont want one. If you dont think its right.If you beleive in your heart and souls its murder. Dont have one.

Abortion isnt going anywhere. Each side will do just enough to make it look to their constituents to make it look as if they are doing something.While giving them something to say to villify the other side But not enough that any drastic changes are made one way or the other

NOT · « **Reply #57 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:01:58 AM »

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but you are phrasing it in a way as to impose what you feel something is as fact

Actually i stated IMHO. But, to me it is fact. When does life begin? When is it not okay to kill another human being?? What gives us the right to decide, for our "convenience", that a child dies?

The laws may never change, but neither will my feelings. As the father of two children, it is beyond me how people can think of kids as an "inconvenience".

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Shamus · « **Reply #58 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:26:58 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

Thats exactly my point and exactly why abortion cant be made illegal.

Of course it can Drediock, it was before roe v wade.

It came very close to becoming illegal again in the prior congress, and you know damn well the current supreme court would love to debate a new abortion law.

shamus

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #59 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:52:23 AM »

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Originally posted by BMnot
Actually i stated IMHO. But, to me it is fact. When does life begin? When is it not okay to kill another human being?? What gives us the right to decide, for our "convenience", that a child dies?

The laws may never change, but neither will my feelings. As the father of two children, it is beyond me how people can think of kids as an "inconvenience".

NOT

Well why not say it begins with the sperm cells then?
Can it be denied they are alive? In fact they actually have a life span. so they must be alive.
And being of human origin, Human life? Or at least potential human life.

In that case many of us are mass murderers LOL

Far as Im concerned a fetus isnt alive untill it can viably live on its own,without the help of a life supporting system Outside of the womb. Untill then it is only a potential life..

I too am a father of two and do not see how people can think of kids as an inconvienience, But. I can think of several reasons to IMO jusifiably abort a pregnancy, such as rape, severe birth defects or mental retardation etc.

To end a pregnancy of what would normally be a healthy normal child in cases other then rape,simply because its inconvienient is wrong I beleive.
Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control I beleive.
But. It is not for me, or you, or anyone else to impose my set of beleifs on another.

Just as it would be wrong for me to force you to have an abortion. Its just as wrong for me to tell you you cant have one.