Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[JB88]

Originally posted by moot
Don't you need to understand why something happens before you can think of the proper method to solve it?

yes.  i misspoke.  

what i was meaning to argue was that these arguments sound more like denial to me than anything else.

further, it is silly to say "well, we arent the worst contributor cuz this guy says so so forget about all of the other research that scientists have been working on...it's probably bunk now and the only reason they were doing it for was money so..."

it shouldnt be too hard to imagine that breathing and swimming in filth is bad enough.  it shouldnt be to hard to grasp that we are contributing to that.  ALOT.
even if that ALOT is not as much as we thought, it would be ridiculous for us not to try to curb it dramatically if it has even the slightest possibility of keeping our atmosphere from going the way of venus.

[Hajo]

Regarding my earlier post concerning Global warming.

If History is any indication the atmosphere will either warm or cool.  fact of life.  Nothing much we can do to deter the powers of nature.  We may be able to do something small on our behalf but that will be of little or no consequence.  Just as in the Past Mother Earth will shed life forms like a bad coat. And....maybe life just might find a way.  It is also likely that the next forms of life will look nothing like us.  I don't see many left over from the Jurassic Period running around anymore or any other period from the billions of years past for but a few that are related to the Crocodile and some fish.  Birds supposedly descendants of Dinosaurs are still with us.

Glad the ruby throated sparrow has no teeth

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Maverick
Didn't gore invent mars?????  

Al Gump is president of Mars and ruler of space cadets everywhere.

People will still be arguing about causes of "global warming" as the hole in the ozone melts off their skin.

[moot]

All I'd say about the matter are truisms and common sense - no unneeded waste, etc.  which is what you're saying too.
There's no conclusion to be drawn from something not understood...

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by moot
All I'd say about the matter are truisms and common sense - no unneeded waste, etc.  which is what you're saying too.
There's no conclusion to be drawn from something not understood...

Sure there is, when money and political power are at play.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Sure there is, when money and political power are at play.

Gentlemen, here is the winner of all global warming arguments for both sides.

[moot]

That's a truism
People will always tend towards good.  Educated/wise ones more accurately so.
Financial or political power are just means. You have to be pretty myopic to see them as ends.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by moot
That's a truism
People will always tend towards good.  Educated/wise ones more accurately so.
Financial or political power are just means. You have to be pretty myopic to see them as ends.

To say that educated people are more inclined towards good over evil is just foolish.

[moot]

supporting evidence?

[lasersailor184]

Supporting evidence cited:  History:  Cavemen to yesterday.

[moot]

this is why conversations with you go nowhere fast.

Homo sapiens follows the same rules of causality as animals. By good I meant the platonic sense of Good.
e.g. The "good" solution to a math problem, the "good" combination to a safe, the "good" sequence of actions in a given situation.

That's what I'm saying, all life long homo sapiens answers nature/reality's prompts for safe combinations, correctly or not.
Education, not the one you know in your particular city, state, country, in your life, but the one in the general sense of practical learning, is what provides you with the building blocks to answer those questions better and better.

So yes, it's as much of a no brainer as 2+2=4.
The least you know, the least you're likely to tend towards good.



Show me evidence that evil isn't just mistaken good intentions.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by moot
this is why conversations with you go nowhere fast.

Homo sapiens follows the same rules of causality as animals. By good I meant the platonic sense of Good.
e.g. The "good" solution to a math problem, the "good" combination to a safe, the "good" sequence of actions in a given situation.

That's what I'm saying, all life long homo sapiens answers nature/reality's prompts for safe combinations, correctly or not.
Education, not the one you know in your particular city, state, country, in your life, but the one in the general sense of practical learning, is what provides you with the building blocks to answer those questions better and better.

Show me evidence that evil isn't just mistaken good intentions.

Are you serious?  All of the uneducated people of the world can riot, kill every single person and animal in sight, lite fire to everything else in sight, and simultaneously set off every single nuke they can get their hands on and they still wouldn't even come to close to the amount of evil done to the world that educated people have done when they believe themselves to be good and correct.

Every single war, be it religious or political, everything done wrong to people or animals, and anything else has been at the hands of educated men who believe they are doing something good.

[lukster]

Good education may help some make good decisions. Education isn't automatically good as many of our more liberal institutions prove daily.

[JB88]

and conservative institutions do not?

(growing tired of this devisive liberal v. conservative crapola that keeps anything real from ever being accomplished)

[JB88]

addendum.

i would rather have learning institutions...even fallible ones.  

what isnt fallible?

would it be better if everyone had street smarts or vice versa?

again, we dodge the issue.