Fifteenth AF - Northern Italy Frame 1 Scores

[APDrone]

The scores have been tallied.  Before reviewing the numbers, I must explain a few things used to determine the final score.

From the Allied Objectives sent to the CiC:
 

Restrictions.  Refinery and Radar strat must be hit by heavy bombers.  Ground attack aircraft attacking trains may not use their ordnance on the strat facilities.

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There was 1 object destroyed in the Fuel Refinery by a ground attack aircraft.
There were 10 objects destroyed in the Radar Factory by ground attack aircraft.

Since it was specifically stated that ground attack aircraft were not to attack the strat targets, the credit for those objects is removed from scoring and an additional penalty of 1:1 objects removed from the total tally.

This means that 2 objects were removed from the total objects destroyed at the Fuel Refinery, reducing its damage to 96%.
This also means that 20 objects were removed from the total objects destroyed at the Radar Factory, reducing its damage to 74%.

Another scoring adjustment was made to remove the 6 Axis pilots killed after the cease fire was called from the allied tallies.  Due to the confusion surrounding the circumstances, no additional penalties will be assesed for the failure to cease hostilities when instructed.





Summary:  Frame 1 was an allied victory.  Not resounding nor overwhelming, but still a victory.

This victory did come at a price, though.  A special operative from the Allies was in an ultra-secret meeting with local resistance fighters in an ammo bunker at field A33. Their goal was to coordinate rescue efforts for captured Fifteenth AF pilots.  Unfortunately, they were summarily blown to smithereens by an unplanned raid by some roving P38s.  Other local representatives of the resistance refuse to communicate after the incident.

[doobs]

What ground attack aircraft hit the dar factory?

we had all b-17's with 5 LIGHT 51 escort, dar factory was unscathed upon arrival, and flat after bomber pass. I watched it happen.

please enlighten me on what fiter hit the dar factory?

just a question

[APDrone]

Without naming names, just go to events logs and find which non-bomber blew up Radar Factory.

[doobs]

not a witch hunt, and a little late to dig, just one question there, was it a JG44?

[APDrone]

No, it wasn't a JG44.

You won't have to lock the rum cabinet.

[doobs]

we call it aiming fluid, and I'll lookin tomorrow at the logs, too bad that happened, we flew a long *** flight to get there(practiced for 2 days).

don't recall anybody but us being assigned to the area.

could of used the escort up high, than fiters hittin our target.
but our 5  p51's did  a good job fending off bad guys.


our buffs did take a beating on the egress.

[Hornet33]

I just looked at the logs and those fighters that hit the radar factory did it 1 hour and 23 minutes into the frame. That was well after the heavy bombers hit the target and took it down 100%. Those fighter were also going after the train as instructed and IF they saw some of the radar factory up because it resupplied and started popping then we shouldn't be penalized. There shouldn't have been ANY targets there at all for them to hit after we dropped. I checked status of the radar factory within 5 mintues of our drop at T+55 and it was 100% down at that time. Did the factory start to pop back up after we dropped it and the fighters that hit the train take those buildings back down??

The times don't jive here people. The bombers hit it first. I was lead bomber into the radar factory and this is from the logs

22:08:32 Departed from Field #39 in a B-17G
22:18:16 Joined by Vlkyrie1 as gunner/observer.
23:03:33 Destroyed a Radar Factory at base #01  

This is from one of the fighters that hit the radar factory

22:10:47 Departed from Field #35 in a P-38L
22:49:09 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #34.
23:22:27 Destroyed a field gun at city #01  
23:22:27 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:22:27 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:22:28 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:22:28 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:22:28 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:22:28 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:22:28 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:22:28 Destroyed a field gun at city #01  
23:22:28 Destroyed a train at base #01  
23:23:37 Destroyed a Radar Factory at base #01  

That's 20 mintues AFTER the bombers hit the target.

Why are we getting a penalty again?

[doobs]

oh yeah hornet33 with a double reverse behind the back double handed dunk? WTG bro.

[APDrone]

I reviewed the damage log and there were no duplicates of objects destroyed for the radar factory, so there must have been objects remaining after the initial run.  

I will not attest to the accuracy of the strat status report it sounds like you checked.

The logs say a fighter/bomber attacked strats as they were specifically instructed not to do.

The reasoning behind that restriction is that the fighter/bombers found and destroyed trains and convoys on missions out in the middle of nowhere.  

If they were flying along and found a train, they attacked it.

We, unfortunately, are restricted in that trains are only associated with strat targets, so you can't just target one in the middle of nowhere because there aren't any.

Knowing this, and trying to simulate the finding of a train in the middle of nowhere, I designed the frame to prohibit ground attack aircraft from attacking the strat the train was assigned to.

That rule was broken.

Make sense?

[Hornet33]

Not really since we destroyed 79 out of a possible 88 targets, leaving ONLY 9 left yet the fighters destroyed 10???? Was the factory popping back up after the bombers hit it?? If so then it would be resonable for the fighters hitting at train near the factory to hit anything left standing at said factory if they could.

The math and times don't add up here.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest here by the way, it just sounds a little hinky to me is all.

[TinmanX]

This victory did come at a price, though.  A special operative from the Allies was in an ultra-secret meeting with local resistance fighters in an ammo bunker at field A33. Their goal was to coordinate rescue efforts for captured Fifteenth AF pilots.  Unfortunately, they were summarily blown to smithereens by an unplanned raid by some roving P38s.  Other local representatives of the resistance refuse to communicate after the incident.

*shifty look* huh?

[APDrone]

Originally posted by Hornet33
Not really since we destroyed 79 out of a possible 88 targets, leaving ONLY 9 left yet the fighters destroyed 10???? Was the factory popping back up after the bombers hit it?? If so then it would be resonable for the fighters hitting at train near the factory to hit anything left standing at said factory if they could.

The math and times don't add up here.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest here by the way, it just sounds a little hinky to me is all.

The 79 targets your squad destroyed ( btw,  nice job! ) included gun positions.  

I do not include gun emplacements when determining bomb damage.

[Valkyrie]

WTF DRONE.


JG44 completly droped that target. UNF lanuched up there later and were looking to hit the train and train only. THey miss understood. Bustr hit the oil complex but it was already dead and was re gened as was radar. Radar was already dead but regen.

I have the screen shots of it  at 0 as well as the refinery. Give us our points back. You cant kill something if it was not there


Vlkyrie1

[APDrone]

Originally posted by Valkyrie
WTF DRONE.


JG44 completly droped that target. UNF lanuched up there later and were looking to hit the train and train only. THey miss understood. Bustr hit the oil complex but it was already dead and was re gened as was radar. Radar was already dead but regen.

I have the screen shots of it  at 0 as well as the refinery. Give us our points back. You cant kill something if it was not there


Vlkyrie1

Sorry, Vlkyrie, but unless the log parser is messed up ( and I see no evidence of that ) the target was not completely destroyed by the bombers on the first pass.  If an object was destroyed more than once, it would have showed up on my report.  

The only duplicate objects destroyed on  my report were convoys that the LW went back and cleaned up on a subsequent strike, so I see evidence that duplicate object destruction reporting is working.

That being said, the fact remains that the ground attack units  defied orders ( knowingly or otherwise ) and attacked a strat where the orders explicitly stated not to.  

The object down time setting was at 200 minutes ( maximum down time allowed ) so there should not have been any regeneration taking place ( this setting was confirmed by 2 CMs before the frame began )

If it turns out the log parser is wrong, or if I misread the tallies, I will gladly make corrections.  

I will re-review the logs again this evening.

[Valkyrie]

I saw and double, tripple checked the strat and it said 100% down. I think I still have the screen shots for you if you would like.

Thanks for the quick responce nothing like service with a smile.
vlkyrie