Why Any Gun Except Semiauto?

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Out of 3500+ rounds fired through my USP 45, I have only had 2 fail-to-fires.   Both due to cheap ammo bought at the range I frequent.  

You have a USP?  Nice.  I always did want to try one, just for ****s and giggles.





Anyway, design tolerances, manufacturing tolerances, ammunition tolerances are all major factors in accuracy.  Basically, the amount of money spent on designing a gun / making a gun determines how accurate it is.

I wouldn't say that bolt actions are more accurate then semi's, it's just that semi's cost more for the entire process.


I met a guy at the range who spent 5 grand and built his own Rem 700 look a like.  He could hit quarters at 300 yards without a problem.

About half a year later, I met a guy who had a national match M1a that he then spent 10 grand on.  This guy could hit the same quarters at 300 yards.

Both spent time designing handloads to be tuned for the rifle twist, gun harmonics and barrel length to get absolutely incredibly accurate bullets.

[Halo]

5k and 10k to hit quarters.  

[john9001]

accuracy smackuracy, when i was in the Marines i fired govt issued Garand M-1's and M-14's with govt ammo and hit 10 out of 10 bulleyes at 500 yrds with iron sights.

how much more accuracy do you need?


of course marines are trained to win battles, not shoot quarters.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Halo
What's your favorite gun loading action?  

Favorite?  Six-Barrel Minigun, like the improved version of the M134, would be my favorite action.

[MrBill]

accuracy smackuracy, when i was in the Marines i fired govt issued Garand M-1's and M-14's with govt ammo and hit 10 out of 10 bulleyes at 500 yrds with iron sights.

how much more accuracy do you need?

Damn Straight!! the M-14 was a class rifle.

I've hit man sizes silhouettes at 1000 yards 8 of 10 shots with my favorite toy.



1874 .50-90 ST ammo iron sights, but it is tapped for a scope mount, just to hard to pick up the target with a scope at extreme range.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by MrBill
Damn Straight!! the M-14 was a class rifle.

I've hit man sizes silhouettes at 1000 yards 8 of 10 shots with my favorite toy.



1874 .50-90 ST ammo iron sights, but it is tapped for a scope mount, just to hard to pick up the target with a scope at extreme range.

Thats awsome.

[lazs2]

I still don't get it... why would you limit yourself?   If a gun appeals to you..  buy it.  If it turns out that it is not what you like... sell it and buy another.

masher...  The only revolvers I have seen that didn't function properly were ones that had been "fixed" by "gunsmiths" both amatuer and professional..  Smiths are notorious for having the trigger lightened...  shaving the leaf to letting up on the strain screw to removing parts and throwing them away...  seen it all.   I have put in excess of 50,000 rounds through a couple of revolvers.

Accuracy is subjective... as was stated, most people can't use the accuracy of guns especially handguns but.. handguns feel different to different people and the trigger on a handgun will do a lot for making it more "accurate" to the individual... most double action or doa semi autos have terrible triggers... they may be fairly accurate but most people can't hit anything with em.

Glock for instance has a special drill that you have to do just to use it effectively.. easy enough to learn but unlike anything else.. people who are glock fans learn it and then pretty much don't want to spoil it by shooting other guns... hence... a sort of built in loyalty by lazy.

Same for double action revolvers but... not so much... single action guys get real picky about triggers.. so do bolt action or M1 rifle guys... lever guys too... semi auto battle rifle guys don't.   most "assault rifle" class guys don't care but there is a huge business in making these things have decent triggers for competition.

Who cares that an AKs shoots a 12" group at 100 yards and has a gritty, creep filled trigger?  Not the guy who can't shoot 12" groups with an open sighted Weatherby.

lazs

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Halo
5k and 10k to hit quarters.  

The quarters was just an analogy to show the grouping capabilities of the rifle.

[Shuffler]

Originally posted by Ghosth
Well I prefer pump shotguns to autofeeders.

They are lighter weight, have many fewer moving parts with less to go wrong.
I don't think any of my Rem 870's has ever failed me yet. I have 3, 1 each in 12.16, and 20 ga.

Have you ever handled a Browning Gold Hunter. It is my lightest shotgun and the only semi-auto I have. The others are all pump and are much heavier.

[rpm]

When I was a 7 or 8 Dad bought a Colt Navy .45 replica. I had more fun with that pistol than any other. I learned pirming, loading and firing safety. It was loud, it made a ton of smoke, it kicked like a mule and it knocked the fire outa anything it hit.

[MrBill]

Originally posted by rpm
When I was a 7 or 8 Dad bought a Colt Navy .45 replica. I had more fun with that pistol than any other. I learned pirming, loading and firing safety. It was loud, it made a ton of smoke, it kicked like a mule and it knocked the fire outa anything it hit.

The Navy was .36 cal, only the army was .44 cal, the Walker was the first .44 magnum ... but "replicas" are often mislabeled and of the wrong caliber.

the frame of a Navy is not strong enough for .45 cal.

[LLv34 Jarsci]

I like my Marlin 45-70. 22" barrel shortened to handle a good silencer and Aimpoint comp MD over it. Great for elks under 150m range and bullets do not mind much little brushes. Stopping power is more than adequate, 350gr Hornady Flat Nose bullets loaded to 630m/s speed. Drops 20cm on 200 m range. After that donīt ask...  And silencer helps greatly to keep recoil and most of the noise in bay. Also dogīs ears are saved by that. The gun loses its lightness in that tho, but I am willing to sacrifice that for comfort and hearing.

Bolt action is maybe a bit more "advanced" than lever, but lever action is much faster to load and shoot than bolt action. Also loading is done on vertical instead of horizontal plane-->you can keep red dot right on target while pumping away..

I do not like semi-autoīs , too many things can go wrong while shooting.

[lazs2]

If we could have silencers here there would be a lot less half deaf old shooters.

lazs

[Halo]

Good point, Lazs2.  Will silencers ever be generally acceptable?  Much kinder to the ears and environment.  

Just as in regular shooting, relatively few silencer users would be sinister, probably no greater than the present ratio of good gun users to bad gun users.

Isn't there some kind of performance degradation when a silencer is added on?  Seems like there should be, however small.

[WilldCrd]

Still love my barretta 9mm

few months ago i was at the range and some kid (21) was shooting with his daddy and made the remark about stopping power of or lack therof with a 9mm
I then proceded to empty the clip into the head of the silloett i was shooting......his dad gave me a grin and he shutup and sat down.


When I was a kid my dad always told me when teaching me to shoot, "it dont matter what weapon your using but HOW you use it"
Gun control is hitting what your aiming at:cool: