Author Topic: Fighter Combat "Tactics & Maneuvering" (Read 1711 times)

Xargos · « **on:** March 18, 2007, 08:57:14 PM »

Okay, since there seems to be so many new players who don't know basic fighter combat, I thought it might be a good idea to point ya'll in the right direction. This book is the Bible of ACM and will show you things other then HO's and running 6K before coming back. It is a hard and long read, but well worth it.

Fighter Combat "Tactics and Maneuvering" by Robert L. Shaw

MajWoody · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2007, 09:19:48 PM »

No offense Xargos but I think that book will only confuse them at first. I would suggest a few sessions with a trainer as well as reading on netaces.org website tutorials. Then they will have a grasp of some of the terminology & acm's.

After that I think Shaws book would be highly beneficial.

Dichotomy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2007, 09:25:02 PM »

Unfortunately only a small percentage of the newer players will actually take the time to rea.....

Um did I just say that?

In all seriousness I agree with MajWoody

Bucky73 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:22:47 AM »

Most newbs won't even read up on how to start a "plane" .....they sure as heck aren't gonna read a book

Gooss · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:38:42 AM »

Geez....

Nice reminder to go to an excellent source of information. I flew AW for years before I bought it. I should have bought it sooner.

I should read it more often.

Thanks for the post.

HONK!
Gooss

fuzeman · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:13:59 AM »

We should add a test on this book.

Pass the test and you can fly in the MAs.
Fail and it's the TA for you!!!

hubsonfire · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:30:06 AM »

Before we get these kids reading books, we've got to teach them to read.

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2007, 11:43:48 AM »

Man, we get so many new players who always ask how to do this or that.
Its a shame they cant have only one option for the first hour of online play.
"such as" When a person first joines, every server is like greyed out,only the training area would be selectable from the server browser.

For everyone who "GOTTA PLAY NOWESZ!" just code it to end, as soon as the player log out of training arena.
that way,someone new could enter the training arena,and get the help they need "AND,they know where to go if something else arises"
Could also just make it a little box option in ither the server hose,or ingame "like some options can only be changed, once online/offline .ect"

Anyhow.

Rino · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2007, 11:47:48 AM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Before we get these kids reading books, we've got to teach them to read.

Maybe "Mouse" wrote a pop-up version

Btw I only got Shaw's book after he fragged Joker and I in AW after
we all went after the same B-25 during a Hartmann heritage flight

Bob is a damned fine shot..I could barely even see him when he popped
me

Max · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2007, 11:54:57 AM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Before we get these kids reading books, we've got to teach them to read.

That would require teaching the teachers to read, first.

Gatr · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:10:40 PM »

yeah!!!!
I need to re read this.... My Fighter skill are really sukkin...
This is the holy grail of info
I HIGHLY recommend it
Gatr....

LLv34 Jarsci · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:23:36 PM »

Every time I see something about "Mouse" Shaw I remember vividly one time he was visiting Finnish Mosquito meeting.. might be year 2001 or so..

The boys were playing Crud and Widowmaker (our squaddie, flies here as Wmaker) managed to hit Shaw´s nose badly... OOOWWWWWW.. I have no idea what he was doing and how he did it but nevertheless "mouse" was in a world of hurt for a while.

A kill!!

Nosebroker would be better callsing..

It might be better if I stopped telling stories right now... (nosebreaker might kill me next time we see..)

MM02 pic which shows nekkid men, Mouse is just front of the dog..

SkyRock · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:23:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Max
That would require teaching the teachers to read, first.

Hey now!:furious

Mark

BlauK · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2007, 03:51:03 PM »

Maybe better pics regarding that particular event would be these:
The place and Mouse before the occurence
Mouse with a Donald Duck bandaid on his nose

Ghastly · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2007, 04:08:56 PM »

While there is no arguing that the Robert Shaw's book is a wonderful resource (a girlfriend once asked if mine - which has long since been covered in duct tape from being carried around so much - was a Bible) it's target audience is the modern (at the time of writing, and probably even still) military pilot. As such, there is an awful lot of content that is not germaine to a WWII era flight sim.

And it requires a serious amount of effort (i.e. study) to work through even the information that is germaine. As has been mentioned, not exactly the kind of thing that someone who's not willing to go through the FAQ is going to ever bother with - if they'd ever part with the money for it in the first place.

Another great resource - that IS oriented towards a WWII era flight sim - and might be a little more digestible to many, is Bmbm's "In Pursuit".

You can download the original version for free at this site, or you can buy a bound copy that's been updated from Amazon.com (or at least, you used to be able to)

http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/

Bmbm (for those of you who don't know him) is a phenomenal sim pilot, and was a Warbirds trainer at one time.