G.55 Centauro Lobbying Thread

[Krusty]

The G.55 is to the C.205, as the 109K-4 would be to the 109G-6, only the K-4 would have 3 cannons instead of 1, and more ammo than a 190a8.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Krusty
The G.55 is to the C.205, as the 109K-4 would be to the 109G-6, only the K-4 would have 3 cannons instead of 1, and more ammo than a 190a8.

That is irrelevant, in my opinion.  Same service time, more or less, and both are last ditch, practically no combat Italian fighters.

[Krusty]

Practically no combat? I don't see how you can claim that. The 205 saw a lot of combat. It was spread so thin (1 205 in a unit of 202s) that it didn't stop the war, but it saw lots of bloody combat, shooting down many p38s, p51s, and US bombers.

The G.55 saw so much combat it was decimated by sheer allied numbers over Rome. No combat? Then why were most of them destroyed in combat?

Of all of the G.55s made, only 1 survived the war. That speaks to me of "saw combat".

EDIT: That 1 was used as a template for post-war exports

I can see your point Karnak, but it did see action, and it did fight. It had decent numbers compared to other Italian planes at the time. There are only 2 italian planes in this game, and they're almost the same plane. We could definitely see more variety.

[Karnak]

It is hard for me to count, what, 60 examples as seeing heavy combat because 59 failed to see the end of the war.  (how many were destroyed on the ground or before delivery?)  Consider the number of Bf109s, Spitfires or Yaks that were destroyed.

[Krusty]

Hrm... yes.. use 3 of the most widely produced aircraft ever in all of history, and compare them to a country with little production capabilities.

What about the Gladiator then? Probably less than 100 saw service once the war started. Folks ask for it all the time.

You ask for the CR.42, but it was obsolete before the war started. The C.200 and the G.50 were the primary front-line fighters of the Italian Air Force during WW2, and early on they realized even these were obsolete.

What about the me410? That definitely has a home in Aces High, but only just over 1000 were ever built.

What about the Hs 126? Hell only 200-300 were made for that, it was a flying death trap, and almost impossible to fly, yet it definitely has a home in this game as a GV attacker.

The G.55 has a place in this game as a high-alt bomber attacker, with decent speed, armament, and large wings for the thin air. It was designed to take the fight to the US bombers and guess what we have in this game? In this game we have crap-loads of 20k+ bombers. It's got a home. It's definitely got a home.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Krusty

What about the Hs 126? Hell only 200-300 were made for that, it was a flying death trap, and almost impossible to fly, yet it definitely has a home in this game as a GV attacker.

Hs 126 was a recon plane, over 900 produced. And I never read any report that it was "impossible to fly".

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Karnak

Practically a historical non-existant. We already have the nearly non-existant C.205.

Karnak, according to this way of thinking, we should have no italian planes at all!

During the period 1940-1943, the italian aircraft industry produced about 10000 planes, which is roughly what the US industry built in 1 month!

Comparing the production numbers of the C.205 or G.55 to what the Allied or even Germany did, can only lead to what many historians did... totally dismiss Italy's partecipation to WWII as "irrelevant"... luckily, this is not done anymore today.
I know this is not what you're trying to do, but I used this example to make you understand that your way of thinking is not correct, IMO.

C.205 and G.55 were two of the most important fighters fielded by Italy (sorry JB, the Re.2005 had too little numbers and use), and the did see a lot of use in combat... and they were produced in consistent numbers when compared to the italian production numbers (about 250 C.205, 150/200 G.55 - numbers for this model aren't sure due to bombing raids over the factories in late war period-)

Plus, this thread is for people who want to know more about this plane and to support it, if you have to say something against it, please, make it in Pyro's thread, not here.

And don't try to steal votes, Wasq, you bastige!!!

EDIT: Lol, Wasq, I didn't see it was an old thread! you cheated me!

Edited again to erase some too hot-headed comments... sorry Karnak

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Lusche
Hs 126 was a recon plane, over 900 produced. And I never read any report that it was "impossible to fly".

What am I thinking of? Waffle posted a pic of it. Hs129?

[Gianlupo]

Krusty, Lusche, I think you mean the Hs 129, the 126 was a biplane...

But, please, let's keep the discussion focused on the G.55!

[Krusty]

agreed

[wasq]

And remember my comment. Until you reach 15 pages, G.55 is regarded as irrelevant.

[Krusty]

Give it 5 years and it'll be at 30.

But we don't have to, because we'll be getting the G.55 soon

[Karnak]

The most important Italian fighters were the CR.42, C.200 and C.202.

[storch]

clearly the best of the italian fighters and deserves to be represented in this game.

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Karnak

The most important Italian fighters were the CR.42, C.200 and C.202.

No doubt about that. But that doesn't mean we can't ask for the G.55, that was, anyway, one of the best italian fighter, and, for 1943, surely some of the best of the war... that would add to the game, especially to MAs (yes, for AvA and SEA we need the CR.42 and C.200 - I want them too! -), a new ride capable of giving a challenge to the most (over-)used fighters.

And, one thing not to disregard, HTC already have the original G.55 manual, Gatt  sent it to them some years ago...