So umm whats that organisation for prisoners rights?

[Viking]

lol

[Torque]

gee...i think everyone knows american holds itself to the highest of all double standards, take special fountain boy for example...

[storch]

what? did the icebear kick you out of it's den too?  sheesh you guys sure are envious.

[Joachim]

Originally posted by storch
you can't just summarily execute them.  the line is blurred as to whether they are trerrorists or combatants too.  the bottom line is that no matter which path the U.S. takes it will draw heat and ridicule from the envious others.

All I'm saying is that when their cave or redoubt is surrounded by U.S troops and they come out with their hands up, their pants pissed from fear, just put a few rounds into them and call it a day. Say they were pointing rifles towards the GIs or whatever.

Mind you I'm speaking specifically of situations on the battlefield/ that involve violence,  not people apprehended otherwise.

[storch]

that would be murder.  that is beneath us as a great and benevolent people.  that would make us on the par with those euros and the arabs.

[john9001]

Originally posted by straffo
May I respectfully remind you, you are supposed to be the good guys.

i don't want to be the good guys, i want to be the winners.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Joachim
All I'm saying is that when their cave or redoubt is surrounded by U.S troops and they come out with their hands up, their pants pissed from fear, just put a few rounds into them and call it a day. Say they were pointing rifles towards the GIs or whatever.

Mind you I'm speaking specifically of situations on the battlefield/ that involve violence,  not people apprehended otherwise.

You know soldier have to live after war ,they usually have all sort of troubles living with what as a soldier they had to do and see .

And you want them to commit murder ?

[john9001]

Originally posted by straffo
You know soldier have to live after war ,they usually have all sort of troubles living with what as a soldier they had to do and see .

And you want them to commit murder ?

your right, the poor terrorists having to live with the knowledge of killing all those innocent women and children.  The UN should have therapy for them , paid for by the USA, of course.

[Torque]

well...i guess you would prefer cockroaches then...

you are right about your envious nature tho...but worshipping what bubbles beneath the muslim's feet is nothing to be envious about.

but...the in-law's 10k sq/ft house in golden beach is tho...

[-Concho-]

If a unit can take EPW's they should, if you summarily kill people because they have a different set of beliefs or customs (religious or cultural) you will only enrage the other peope of that belief and make them fight harder and longer.

We need to show that we are compasionate and caring and find a middle ground that we are willing to agree on, otherwise the fighting will never end.  

If they are willing to fight to the death then so be it.

Thise that say that we should kill all reek of inexpierence and prejudice.

[Gunthr]

i'd have maybe respected Muhamed Dawood maybe a little if he had been killed in the fighting, but i'd still have contempt because he supported killing innocents - a cowardly despicable thing to do.  He knew Al Qaeda are terrorists when he joined.  he knew that they target civilians and kids when he joined.  even so, i don't believe in summary execution either.  he deserved to die, but not in cold blood.   in that light, the time he spent at GITMO doesn't bother me a bit.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Joachim
I don't see what war crimes has to do with POWs having access to civilian courts.

POWs do have access to civilian courts.  There was a famous case in the U.S. after WWII.  The Nazi SS murders at Malmede (sp?) that were responsible for the cold blooded massacre of over 200 US POWs had their death sentences over turned in US court because it was successfuly argued that the US interrigators were Jewish soldiers (most of them were known as "Camp Richie (sp?) Boys") and therefore biased.  Interesting to note that the US lawyer that defended these murderous Nazis was none other than Joe "I hate Red" McCarthy.


ack-ack

[Bluedog]

Originally posted by john9001
i thought this thread was about the british sailors and lack of interest by amnesty international?

nice way to spin it into another hate america rant.

Have you ever argued a point from opposite sides with a friend?
Did disagreement make you any less of a friend?


You know, it is possable to disagree with the handling of certain matters, without hate or envy or any of that other BS playing any part at all.
I dont hate America at all, in fact I admire the ideals it stands for, I have immediate family who live there, and have found the vast majority of Americans I have met to be genuinely nice, freindly people.
I'm not envious either, there is nothing the US can offer it's citizens that isnt available to me as an Australian citizen right here at home.

I disagree with a lot of stuff the Australian govt does too, does that mean I hate Australia? No, of course it doesnt.
Do you agree one hundred percent, without fail, every thing the US govt does, if not, are you just another hater , or an American who is proud of and loves his country but disagrees on some things ?.


There is a lot of BS Bush is Satan, America sux, blah blah blah out there on the net, and I can see how it would get real old, real quick, but not everyone who disagrees with you hates you.

Perhaps giving the reason for our disagreement some thought and discussion instead of immediately labeling everyone Ameri-haters would go a long way toward changing the prevailing attitude toward the US at the moment.
Who knows, hearing the American side of the story presented without the whole 'we are so damn good' attitude might even swing us toward your way of seeing things.

[Hazzer]

As a member of Amnesty International,if any of you are ever wrongfully imprisoned or tortured,I will write letters on your behalf,including those on here who are indeed "Morons"- You know who you are!:aok

[storch]

Originally posted by Hazzer
As a member of Amnesty International,if any of you are ever wrongfully imprisoned or tortured,I will write letters on your behalf,including those on here who are indeed "Morons"- You know who you are!:aok

we thank you for your efforts, but with your letter and US$10 I can go to starbucks and get a cup of coffee.

storch, HTC shop steward of the moron's union local 5-1/3 (my hat size)