about Vote

[moot]

Captain, I'm disappointed only because this vote included planes that were going to make it anyway, later in future official patches.
This vote was an opportunity to get a player favorite from outside the list of historical necessities.. Like the Brewster, G55, 410, or something else that HTC wasn't going to take the "blame" for propping up above planeset gaps like the P39, B25, or He111 on the to-do list.

[Viking]

While I support the idea of a community voting system I think HTC should have made a bigger effort in informing the player base about the nature of each plane on vote. When you log on to the servers you only got the option to alt-F4 out of the game and had to look up the info on the website, something I can't imagine many cared to do. A couple of lines of info on each plane could easily have been written for each plane in the voting window. I.e. "B-25: Twin-engine American medium bomber widely used throughout the war", "Me 410: German twin-engine heavy fighter and ground attack plane", "Yak-3: Russian late-war single engine fighter", or something similar.

A small thing like this would have prevented a lot of misconceptions.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Viking
While I support the idea of a community voting system I think HTC should have made a bigger effort in informing the player base about the nature of each plane on vote. When you log on to the servers you only got the option to alt-F4 out of the game and had to look up the info on the website, something I can't imagine many cared to do. A couple of lines of info on each plane could easily have been written for each plane in the voting window. I.e. "B-25: Twin-engine American medium bomber widely used throughout the war", "Me 410: German twin-engine heavy fighter and ground attack plane", "Yak-3: Russian late-war single engine fighter", or something similar.

A small thing like this would have prevented a lot of misconceptions.

It may have been sufficient if there just was the info" And the B-25 will NOT be carrier based in this game."

[Joachim]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
baaa baaaaaa

The La.7 and N1K probably wouldn't be in game if they were put up against American kit in the voting, and yet they dominate the arena along with the P.51D and Spit.XVI.

People often don't know whats good for them. That being said, I look forward to shooting down these new second tier American units.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by moot
....., I'm disappointed only because this vote included planes that were going to make it anyway, later in future official patches.
This vote was an opportunity to get a player favorite from outside the list of historical necessities.. Like the Brewster, G55, 410, or something else that HTC wasn't going to take the "blame" for propping up above planeset gaps like the P39, B25, or He111 on the to-do list.

top post!

[FrodeMk3]

While I support the idea of a community voting system I think HTC should have made a bigger effort in informing the player base about the nature of each plane on vote. When you log on to the servers you only got the option to alt-F4 out of the game and had to look up the info on the website, something I can't imagine many cared to do. A couple of lines of info on each plane could easily have been written for each plane in the voting window. I.e. "B-25: Twin-engine American medium bomber widely used throughout the war", "Me 410: German twin-engine heavy fighter and ground attack plane", "Yak-3: Russian late-war single engine fighter", or something similar.

I dunno, Viking...Really, If the vote was that important to them, they would give up 5 min. of MA time to look up some info prior to the vote.

HTC had links to ALL of the aircraft listed on the Homepage for AH. It all goes to Wikipedia, but HTC put it up there, none the less.

He gave them a chance, and a resource to learn.

It's just plain ignorance on their part if they chose not to use it.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by ghi
I wonder ,if we would have planes modeled by vote only , in a game with 90% of the players from North America,  what planes would we have now !? P and B  series only,  flavoured with some F4s, this could be fantasy, pulp fiction game "1944 Civil War" ,

Even if 90% of the players are from N America, 90% of the players are not flying American planes all the time. How do you explain all the LA-7's, N1K2's, and Spit 16s buzzing around the arenas. I'm American and my first choice was the Japanese mystery plane.

Your first choice didn't make it so now it's America's fault?  All you guys that think everybody but you is un-informed and voting  by running off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings are da bomb. Thank you for the entertainment.

[Viking]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I dunno, Viking...Really, If the vote was that important to them, they would give up 5 min. of MA time to look up some info prior to the vote.

HTC had links to ALL of the aircraft listed on the Homepage for AH. It all goes to Wikipedia, but HTC put it up there, none the less.

He gave them a chance, and a resource to learn.

It's just plain ignorance on their part if they chose not to use it.

That's exactly the problem; I suspect for most players the vote wasn't that important to them, and they didn't go to the website or forum ... BUT ... they still voted. Probably for something different from what they thought they were voting for.

[Westy]

The current player base is speaking.   (Just as they have with scenarios and events I might add).

 A bit of an observation and opinion:  IMO if this method had been employed 3-4 years ago I think the planes making it successfully from one round to the next would be very different.  But this is not 3-4 years ago and it's a moot point and a worthless opinion.  

 Just saying that there's no use in arguing about what's happening because the current player demographics are to blame and the few who're not happy with the results are swimming against the tide.  Th people who like flying an airplane for it's historical role or for the thrill of trying out something different in the MA are a tiny minority in AH

 IMO not until CT arrives (checks personal calendar for 2008 to see if there'll be any playtime to enjoy it) will there be enough (possibly) "voting power" to be wielded by the historically "bent" players to get things their way.

[B@tfinkV]

i think we shuld all crack open a few tins and enjoy the game we play without the new planes, then enjoy whatever bonus we get when it comes along with new terrain visuals.


honestly...we are behaving like a group of shepards with the most magnificant flock around, wobbling all over the place with greed and selfishness about who gets to choose the 35th sheep added.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Ghosth
You know I really take exception to this whole arguement.

For the first 3 years of flying back in brand W I was an A6m & Japanese fanatic.
I didn't like, didn't much care about and never flew US iron.

Once I moved over to AH I slowly started moving from a strickly turn & burn game to a more energy based style. I tried spitfires for a while, then moved up to the C.205, had a brief fling with the 190a5, and eventually moved up to the Russian fighters. Spending most of my time in the Yak & La5fn.

Where in all that 10 years of history does it show ANY bias or preference for US planes?

Now I'll agree that AH needs a lot more than just one plane from that list.
In fact we need the whole list and as soon as possible would suit me fine.

Assuming that that just because I happen to live in the US means I'm going to have a bias to US planes is not just wrong. Its just plain insulting. US players love every plane in the game. It matters not what country they were built.
If they were unique, had something they did well, or were just "cool" us US pilots have loved them.

Perfectly stated Ghost!

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Hornet33
Geez the B-25 hasn't even made the final cut and you people are complaining already??? So what if it is outclassed in the LW arenas. Does that matter? I fly early and mid war planes in the LW arenas all the time. So what if everyone recognizes the thing? Think there may be a reason why?

I've voted for the B-25 every time. Not because it's some uber plane that will dominate, but because it was the most used medium bomber of the second world war. More were built and flown in combat in EVERY theater from the begining of the war to the end of the war. That's why it has my vote. Not because it's an American bomber. Not because it's been in the movies, but because it DESERVES a place in this game. That plane EARNED a reputation as a tough and capable aircraft during the entire war.

 

But if this were a numbers game, the P-39/P-63 and the Pe-2 both had more built and used during World War II.   So, by that argument, do they not to be included in the game more than the B-25 does?  Or at least deserve to be put in the game before the B-25 is?

And this is a game.  Over 600,000 Jeeps were built and used during the war, which has to top just about any production list beyond small arms, munitions, and individual equipment.  How many Jeeps do you see running around in the game?  

I don't vote for the B-25 because, even though it served well in the war, and was known as a tough and capable medium bomber, it is totally outclassed in the LW arena --- which is where the majority of players can be found in the game.   Sure, it can find use in EW, AvA, and SEA events..... but only a very small minority of players from the AHII community take part in those aspects of the game.  

For the B-25 to win a popular vote under those conditions means, to me at least, that it is getting its votes from the rest of the AHII community on name recognition from a couple movies, the Doolittle Raid, and many voters not knowledgeable on the B-25's performance numbers as compared to other planes.   Even the Wiki entry on the B-25 lists the bomb load as 6,000 lbs, but several other people in these forums, and some checking, showed that the B-25 load was 2,000 lbs  in the B-version and 3,000 lbs in later models.  

Yes, there are a few players dedicated to the B-25 based on it's history, and use in AvA, SEA, EW, and MW.  The rest, because they heard of the B-25 before, or maybe even hoping for an easy target to hunt in LW during it's release.  Some even probably still expect a CV-launched B-25.  

The remaining 3 on the list could at least compete in LW at some level.  Not the B-25.  Why, I'll vote for anything but the B-25 in the last round.


And, as to personal use in game; I avoid planes with ENY under 15.  Ki-84's, La-5's, Yak, Pony-B's, 109's, C205, B-17's, B-26's, Ki-67's, Ki-61, 190's..... I like variety.  I'll try flying a particular plane for a while.  Higher ENY planes, but at least those that have some chance against all the La-7's, Spixteens, Nikis, and Pony-D's.  
The B-25 carries less than a B-26, slower than a B-26, with half the climb rate of a B-26.  I'd never choose it over a B-26, or a Ki-67 for that matter.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Emu
  Forum users are typically better informed about the planes of WWII, not because the average AH player is lazy, stupid, but because we choose to invest more of our time on learning about something which we are more interested in than some others.

That's rich.

 I r a forum usr I is smartr thin da rst.

[Karnak]

Not smarter, better informed.

[hubsonfire]

That's entirely an assumption on your part, Karnak. There are a few people on here whom I would consider better informed, and a huge majority that just read something on the boards, or on wiki, and suddenly become experts. That doesn't make us better informed; it makes us parrots.