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Offline Redragon

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2007, 11:03:31 AM »
I am loving the pics for the air apaches.  My Grandfather was in that Squad. 500th bg I wonder if they will allow us to drop a kitchen sink like tha apaches did in the war?

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2007, 11:06:12 AM »
Dont forget the RAF and others who used it, lotsa skinning possibilities on the B-25. Will have to see what exact varients we get.
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2007, 06:02:46 PM »
guys what was the name of that bomber found in the desert in africa  a few years ago,i can't remember it it was a b25 or not but i know it was found  still pretty much intact after sitting in the desert for years?
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2007, 06:24:57 PM »
I think you're talking about "Lady Be Good". She was a B-24 that got lost and crash landed in Libya.

EDIT: I looked up the Wiki article (here). Under "Cultural References" it says that there were a couple television shows that told a story similar to that of Lady Be Good, but used B-25's. Maybe that's why you thought B-25.
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2007, 06:49:51 PM »
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guys what was the name of that bomber found in the desert in africa  a few years ago,i can't remember it it was a b25 or not but i know it was found  still pretty much intact after sitting in the desert for years?


I bet you are thinking of the Twilight Zone episode where they used a B25 in the role of a "Lady Be Good" aircraft found in the desert years later.  Ghosts in the plane etc.
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 06:50:26 PM »
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I am loving the pics for the air apaches.  My Grandfather was in that Squad. 500th bg I wonder if they will allow us to drop a kitchen sink like tha apaches did in the war?


What did your Dad do?  Looking at the 345th History a lot today. Toad's father was a pilot in 500th.
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2007, 10:55:30 PM »
B-25 won the vote, now we just need to wait for word on WHICH version, so we know what to skin!

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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2007, 11:22:49 PM »
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Umm, dude! How the heck ya been? Sidetrackin I know but its been a while.

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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2007, 11:42:53 PM »
Hi everyone.  I came across this info about the B-25 in the RAF.  I'm at work so I'm not organized with some of my info.  Hopefully somebody planning on doing some different skins can use this info.  Unfortunately, I dont have any photos with the markings.  I came across this article when doing some research on the 305 Polish Bomber Squadron.  Like I said, hopefully somebody can find this info useful since I can't skin worth a damn!

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The Royal Air Force (RAF) was an early customer for the B-25 via Lend-Lease. The RAF was the only force to use the B-25 on raids against Europe from bases in the United Kingdom. The USAAF used thse Martin B-26 Marauder for this purpose instead.

The first Mitchells to reach the RAF were 23 B-25Bs which were designated Mitchell I by the RAF and assigned the RAF serials FK161 through FK183. They were delivered in August 1941, and were assigned to No 111 Operational Training Unit based in the Bahamas. These planes were used exclusively for training and familiarization and never achieved operational status.

The first operational B-25s to serve with the RAF were B-25Cs and Ds, which were designated Mitchell II by the RAF. The first operational B-25s for the RAF were a batch of B-25Cs. Some of these were used by No. 13 OTU in England, but again most of them went to No. 111 OTU in the Bahamas. A total of 93 Mitchell Is and IIs had been delivered to the RAF by the end of 1942. The Mitchell II served with No. 2 Group, the RAF's tactical medium bomber force. These planes were assigned to Nos 98, 180, 226 and 329 Squadrons.

The first RAF operation with the Mitchell II took place on January 22, 1943, when six aircraft from Nos 98 and 180 Squadron attacked oil installations at Ghent. Things did not go well at all that day. Flak over the target shot down one Mitchell, and Luftwaffe FW 190s pounced on the formation and shot down two more. Since they figured that they must be doing something wrong, the RAF Mitchell squadrons stood down to improve their tactics. They had to develop extremely tight formations in order to concentrate their bombs and to ward off enemy fighters. The RAF Mitchells generally retained the retractable ventral turret, since protection from below was absolutely essential for medium-altitude operations over Europe.

The RAF Mitchells returned to action on May 13. After the invasion of Europe, all four Mitchell squadrons moved to bases in France to support Allied ground forces. The British Mitchell squadrons were joined by No. 342 (Lorraine) Squadron of the French Air Force in April of 1945.

Altogether, 167 B-25Cs and 371 B-25Ds were delivered to the RAF as Mitchell II. Twelve RAF serial number batches were allocated to the Mitchell II.

The Mitchell II was also issued to No. 320 (Dutch) Squadron in September of 1943. This squadron had been formed in June 1940 from personnel of the Royal Dutch Naval Air Service who had fled to England following the occupation of Holland by the Germans. They carried out operations in Europe against gun emplacements, railway yards, bridges, troops, and other tactical targets. 320 Squadron moved to Belgium in October 1944 and flew tactical missions from there until VE Day.

No 305 (Polish) Squadron flew Mitchell IIs from September to December 1943 before transitioning to Mosquitos.

The RAF was allocated 316 B-25Js as Mitchell IIIs. Deliveries took place between August 1944 and August of 1945. However, only about 240 of these planes actually reached Britain, with some being diverted to No. 111 OTU in the Bahamas, some crashing during delivery and some being retained in the USA.

The Mitchell IIIs that did reach Britain were issued as replacement aircraft for 2 Group's Mitchell IIs from November 1944, although two Group squadrons retained the Mk II since they regarded it as having a better control response than the Mk III because it was lighter.

On January 1, 1945, No. 80 Squadron lost 13 Mitchells on the ground during the Luftwaffe's New Year's Day raid on Allied airfields on the Continent.

In addition to the 2nd Group, the B-25 was used by various second-line RAF units in the UK and abroad. In the Far East, No. 3 PRU, which consisted of Nos. 681 and 684 Squadrons, flew the Mitchell (primarily Mk IIs) on photographic reconnaissance sorties.

The Mitchell II and II soldiered on into the post-war period, there still being 393 Mitchells on RAF rolls as late as December 1945.

A total of 910 B-25s went to Britain under Lend-Lease, but some were returned at the end of the war. Unfortunately, the correlation between RAF and USAAF serials is largely unknown.


RAF serials of Mitchell I, II, and III:
FK161/FK183   Mitchell I  (B-25B)
FL164/FL218   Mitchell II (B-25C)
FL671/FL709   Mitchell II (B-25C)
FL851/FL874   Mitchell II (B-25C) Delivery of FL859 only confirmed
FR141/FR207   Mitchell II (B-25C)
         allotments to Dutch forces as follows:
            FR141/FR145
            FR156/FR157
            FR159/FR161
            FR163
            FR168/FR171,
            FR190/FR200
FR208/FR209   Mitchell II (B-25G)
FR362/FR384   Mitchell II (B-25C)
FR393/FR397   Mitchell II (B-25C)
FV900/FV939   Mitchell II (B-25D)
FV940/FV999   Mitchell II (B-25C)
FW100/FW280   Mitchell II (B-25C)
         FW220, FW237, FW246, FW251, FW259, FW260, FW272,
         FW274, FW278/FW280 held in Canada for RCAF
HD302/HD345   Mitchell II (B-25D)
         HD310,H/HD315, HD317/HD320, HD322/HD326,
         HD221/HD335, HD337/HD345 retained in Canada
         for RCAF
KL133/KL161   Mitchell II (B-25D)
MA956      Mitchell II (B-25C) ex Dutch
MA957      Mitchell II (B-25C) crashed at sea Nov 1944.
HD346/HD400   Mitchell III(B-25J)
KJ561/KJ800   Mitchell III(B-25J)
         KJ774, KJ777/KJ783, KJ785, KH787/KJ792, KJ795/KJ799
         diverted to USAAF.
KP308/KP328   Mitchell III(B-25J) - all returned to USA
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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2007, 11:56:22 PM »
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Umm, dude! How the heck ya been? Sidetrackin I know but its been a while.

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I know of whom you speak and I am not him.  I am nowhere near his ability but I did fly with him once or twice in AW.



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we now return you to your thread.
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2007, 07:09:07 AM »
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I know of whom you speak and I am not him.  I am nowhere near his ability but I did fly with him once or twice in AW.



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we now return you to your thread.


Then why would you use the handle AWwrgwy? You his son or something? I only ever knew of one of them in AW.

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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2007, 10:03:47 AM »
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Then why would you use the handle AWwrgwy? You his son or something? I only ever knew of one of them in AW.

Drano


You're talking about WW, right?  From AW in the beginning onward?  I always figured he is -THE- wrongway.  I'm just another wrongway.  I was wrgwy in AW from AOhelL to the end.  I flew mostly RR A-26's, a little FR and all the scenarios I could get.

I've been mistook for him often, certainly not based on ability.
So, if it is me, refresh my memory.  I think I'm suffering from premature alzheimers.   Things don't stick as well as they once did.  


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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2007, 01:43:57 PM »
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You're talking about WW, right?  From AW in the beginning onward?  I always figured he is -THE- wrongway.  I'm just another wrongway.  I was wrgwy in AW from AOhelL to the end.  I flew mostly RR A-26's, a little FR and all the scenarios I could get.

I've been mistook for him often, certainly not based on ability.
So, if it is me, refresh my memory.  I think I'm suffering from premature alzheimers.   Things don't stick as well as they once did.  


wrngway


(now, again, back to your previously scheduled thread)


Nah you'd definitely remember me ifluff'n you were him. We were squaddies.

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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2007, 02:40:57 PM »
Well Guppy he was a tail gunner radio operator in the 500th.
got a lot of info about them in the book Warpath Across the Pacific.  Has a painting of the tondelayo on the front cover.  I can try to scan some color schemes from the book and post them.  i also think i might be able to find the picture i have of the apaches that dropped the kitchen sink as well.  there are also a few combat pictures of the 500th in the old Impact magazine.  I believe there are 2 different issues that have them in it.

I have been looking for more on the Rough Raiders ever since my grandfather passed.

But as far as skins let me find my book and get to scanning.  got a lot of paint schemes in there.  Only thing he told me about the paint schemes was that once they got the plane near combat they stripped em to the metal with just nose art and insignias.

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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2007, 02:55:53 PM »
here are a few pictures i found on the web but i will try to scan the others







here is a link to 345th BG website

http://web.cortland.edu/van/345thBombGroup.htm

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