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Offline Sled

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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2007, 01:41:01 AM »
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Mmmm it's not the point.  The point is that we can actually have two completely different pictures on our monitors.



I understand, I was just commenting on what the pictures showed, as being a clean kill.


You are right, two pilots are going to see two different things.


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« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2007, 10:20:15 AM »
So, who wants to play chicken during the next FSO?
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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2007, 11:08:22 AM »
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You are right, two pilots are going to see two different things.


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Right, there is that. And there is also a certain segment of the population that will TRY for the joust/HO attack just about every time they can usually because they're not well versed in how to gain an advantage otherwise. To tell ya the truth I really don't have a problem with those folks one way or another. As I see it, if you're TRYING for that shot you're giving away angles to your opponent by the bucketload. And as one of those opponent guys that's always willing to take any advantage handed my way--that's just fine by me. Just sayin.

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« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2007, 12:49:02 PM »
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He flew aggressively and skilfully and deserved the kill. I flew like a frustrated fool and died. The outcome was spot on.


Thanks Dantoo but I would not say you were a fool.  Certainly frustrations ran high that night and I am glad to find out after the fact that we weren't the only one's seeing (or not seeing) shimmering, disappearing planes.  We thought it might have to do with the skin on the tiffs,...but I am sure it what associated with the upgrades.

I say you wern't foolish because I was indeed closing down on your wingman, and you made the proper manuever based on the three planes positions.  From my point of view, when I saw you go ballistic I knew I was about to go from hunting your wingie, into a defensive two verse one situation.  I could have broke low but then I would have been vulnerable to both of you.  To fixate on your wingman would have meant death at the hands of your guns.  Sooooo, I did what I thougt was best, and that was take the 109 verticle in an aggressive manuever of my own, knowing I could simply roll over on top and be heading right back for A37.  So much for well laid plans and intentions, the speed of our closure left little room for error.  After seeing the pass from "your" perspective I feel even worse now than when it happened.  You could have ranted a whining storm, but instead you offered a valid and often overlooked aspect of this game.  I salute you for that, and it shows well of your class act character.

Also...as an afterthought, when I stated I sustained no damage in my original post, I wasn't expecting a detailed conversation, and was generally referring to the collision.  I sustained no damage as far as the damage checklist goes.  I was however showing surface damage on my left wing from your hits.

Frustration, aggression, combat,...and the internet.  Often makes for a messy recipe.  Everyone should look at these things the way you did sir.

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« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2007, 10:56:24 AM »
Ho's are extreamly frustraiting. The trouble is that if there were a "code" not to shoot HO then people start to cheat into the turn or into the verticle to gain an advantage. I'll complain just a loud as anyone else when I get hit on a Ho, but it happens to you but generally there is always something you can do to get around it. But to declare that you wont ever shoot HO is a blatant lie.


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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2007, 12:52:53 PM »
Can someone please post a film of me ho'n them at anytime this year.  Thanks.
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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2007, 11:26:54 AM »
This was briefly mentioned early and I am certainly not a "stick" at this point, even though I have flown with the squadron for a couple of years, originally in WB.

I try to fly right or left of the HO and skid my plane at the last minute to get a version of a deflection shot and stay out of the opponents fire.  This was the suggestion of veterans in our squad.

My main point though is that I have read several non-fiction books on WWII air combat (as I am sure many here have) and the HO was noted as an accepted attack tactic, vs. bomber or fighter - allied or axis, very often in those works.  I have never read a negative comment about an attempted HO, successful or not, in the books I have in my collection.

So, I don't think a scarlet "HO" is necessary to put on the uniform of a pilot that uses it.

I think we will all face an HO often but we don't have to initiate it.  Just my opinion.

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