Russian Space

[cav58d]

How much is the former Buran Space Shuttle like out current shuttle fleet? Looks wise they are nearly identical.

[RAIDER14]

comparison

looks like  a copied design?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by cav58d
How much is the former Buran Space Shuttle like out current shuttle fleet? Looks wise they are nearly identical.

Nothing identical. Buran was a payload carried by an Energiya launch vehicle, while SS lifts itself on it's own engines.

Buran will never fly again - all the cryogenic infrastructure was destroyed in 1992 when Kazakhstan declared that Turatam/Baykonur belongs to them.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Boroda
Nothing identical. Buran was a payload carried by an Energiya launch vehicle, while SS lifts itself on it's own engines.

Buran will never fly again - all the cryogenic infrastructure was destroyed in 1992 when Kazakhstan declared that Turatam/Baykonur belongs to them.

How about the Energia boosters?  That booster is as good and reliable as the Saturn Vs.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by RAIDER14
looks like  a copied design?

F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. It can't reach M3 and was built 4 years later.

Concord is a copy of a Tu-144 - it flew 3 months after Soviet design.

[cav58d]

What good is Mach 3 when the slightest tug in any direction of the flight controls causes the airplane to fall apart?

[1K3]

Originally posted by Boroda
F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. It can't reach M3 and was built 4 years later.

MiG-25 was a copy of the A-5 Vigilante.  

US over-estimated MiG-25's capabilities

The Americans feared the MiG-25 to death so much that they started a crash-programme to build one of the greatest fighter aircraft in the history of the world:aok

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by Boroda
F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. It can't reach M3 and was built 4 years later.

Concord is a copy of a Tu-144 - it flew 3 months after Soviet design.

The big differance though is the F-15 is a superior design in all respects with the one exception of overall top speed. When the US got our hands on the Mig-25 that flew to Japan we soon found out it was a POS. The F-15 wasn't designed to directly compete with the Mig-25 because it didn't need too. With well over 200 kills and NO losses in air to air combat the F-15 has proven itself. Can't really say that about the Mig-25 considering some of the kills made by the F-15 were Mig-25's. So much for being a "lame" copy huh?

Actualy design of the Concord started before the Tu-144. The Soviets rushed the Tu-144 program to beat the west and ended up with an aircraft with so many problem they shelved it, while the Concord went on to be a production aircraft that flew for over 20 years in international service with the best safety record of any comercial aircraft in history. Millions of miles flown and thousands of hours on the airframes and only 1 crash.

Oh and before you call the Concord a copy of the 144 you might want to look at some interesting facts concerning arrests that were made.

Although the Tu-144 flew before Concorde, its development was connected with industrial espionage against the French company Aérospatiale, which was developing Concorde. When Sergei Pavlov —officially acting as Aeroflot’s representative in Paris—was arrested in 1965, he was in possession of detailed plans of the braking system, the landing gear and the airframe of Concorde. Another agent named Sergei Fabiew, who was arrested in 1977, was believed to have obtained the entire plans of the prototype Concorde back in the mid-1960s. However, these were early development plans and would not have permitted the USSR engineers to come up with their own aircraft; the plans could only serve as a general indication of the work of the Concorde design team.

So who copied who???

[Yeager]

I thought the Mig25 was in direct response to the B70.  My understanding of the B70 program was that it was a lead program intended to trick the soviets into investing in making an expensive new fighter to combat it, once the soviets bit into the B70 it was allowed to fade gloriously having achieved its purpose.

I always thought the Mig25 was a strategic failure and a technological disappointment?  At least Viktor Belenko felt that way.  His defection cost the soviets billions of roubles if I recall......

Speaking of good old Viktor, I wonder whats he up to these days?  

Did any western pilots ever defect to the east?  Any that we know of?

[mandingo]

They are all copies of the Me 262.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Boroda
F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. It can't reach M3 and was built 4 years later.

Concord is a copy of a Tu-144 - it flew 3 months after Soviet design.

Ever read about the "sting" in which Mi6 planted wrong information to the spy trying to steal the Concorde designs?

May have been why Concordski couldnt stay in the air for very long!

[1K3]

Originally posted by Yeager
My understanding of the B70 program was that it was a lead program intended to trick the soviets into investing in making an expensive new fighter to combat it, once the soviets bit into the B70 it was allowed to fade gloriously having achieved its purpose.

I don't think so, USAAF was serius about the B-70 project.  The project costs more than $1.5 billion (1960's dollar).  XB-70 was cancelled because this over-engineered bomber can't be mass-produce, USAF favored ICBMs, and Soviets had SAM missiles that can shoot this expensive bomber with ease.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Furball


Ever read about the "sting" in which Mi6 planted wrong information to the spy trying to steal the Concorde designs?

May have been why Concordski couldnt stay in the air for very long!

"Concordski"

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Boroda
Nothing identical.

Yeah, they don't look alike or anything.



Glad you guys invented the B-29 though, it came in handy.

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/RAFAQ/Tu-4.html

[Nilsen]

And 18 years after the cold war ended east and west keep posting their propaganda on the internet.