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Offline Airscrew

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« on: May 01, 2007, 01:54:30 PM »
News today, actually last night, suprised it hasnt been post here yet.  Of course it probably will not last long...

In case you didnt know about the first part here is the earlier thread.

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201891&highlight=Perry

Now Perry is going all out... he finally says something I agree with, it only took him 6 years :aok

http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=6449437&nav=menu73_2_4

While people across the country have called for gun control in the wake of Virginia Tech, Gov. Rick Perry called for gun freedom Monday.

Perry met with U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt, who is traveling the country to decide how the government can prepare schools for these types of situations.

Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said he has closed a loophole in state gun laws that allowed a mentally disturbed Virginia Tech student to acquire the guns he used in a campus massacre.

Kaine issued an executive order that requires anyone found to be dangerous and ordered to undergo involuntary mental health treatment, to be included on a database of prohibited gun buyers. Gun dealers must check the database before selling a firearm.

Perry said Texas should consider allowing licensed, law-abiding citizens to carry their authorized weapon anywhere in the state.

"I think a person ought to be able to carry their weapon with them anywhere in this state if they are licensed, and they have gone through the training," Perry said.

When Perry said anywhere in the state, he meant it.

"Whether they're in church or whether they're on a college campus or wherever they are," Perry added. "The last time I checked, putting up a sign that says, 'Don't bring your gun in here,' for someone who has ill intent on their mind, they could (not) care less."

All handguns, licensed or not, are currently banned from bars, restaurants, schools, sporting events, correctional facilities, hospitals, nursing homes, amusement parks, places of worship, governmental meetings and courthouses.

Perry called that nonsense.

"The idea that you're going to exempt them from a particular place is nonsense to me," he said.

"I think it would be a disaster, especially with a lot of alcohol involved," said Austin resident James.

The idea of partiers carrying guns on Sixth Street did not sit well with some, and police will tell about the fights they encounter there every weekend.

"We had problems when I was younger, we fought, we didn't shoot each other, so if everyone's got guns, it makes it a lot easier to go downhill," said Austin resident Tom.

In the wake of the tragedy at Virginia Tech, UT students had mixed reactions.

"Where there's violence, it's not very good to add a gun, but it is important for people to be able to defend themselves if they need to," said student Jack.

"Somebody's carrying a gun, somebody else pulls out a gun, they're gonna shoot it," said student Josia.

But Perry was not gun-shy during questioning.

He stood by his statements and said it's time to open the debate.

"I think it makes sense for Texans to protect themselves from deranged individuals," he said.

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 01:56:55 PM »
The only deranged individual we need protection from in Texas is Rick Perry. The rest of them are in DC.

And just in case you didn't know, I am very pro-gun.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 01:57:21 PM »
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"I think it makes sense for Texans to protect themselves from deranged individuals," he said.


Yeah, him included

lol, ya beat me to it!
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2007, 03:29:29 PM »
While I haven't seen much in the way of gun control pieces coming out, it is just as fascistic / socialistic to tell what a person can and can't do with their private property.

It's wrong to tell them that they can't decide who can enter their land.
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2007, 03:49:04 PM »
While I still think the decision about carrying in schools and other such places should rest in the hands of the private venue in question, I really do want the right to protect myself in school.  The Governor has a point that bad people with ill intent on their minds won't follow signs prohibiting weapons.  A security check-station permeated society doesn't help anyone at all, it only hurts.

Church?  How long is it going to be before some deranged fundamentalist decides its a god's will to go and shoot up a Mosque, or a Synagogue or a Church.  There are enough fundamentalist wackos on all sides to make everyone on every side a juicy and defenseless target.  If people don't have a right to defend themselves when they're worshiping then how do we get to invade other countries?  

Bars, sporting events, court rooms and jails I can understand and agree with keeping weapons out of.  These are special cases where animosities can easily flare out of control, and the presence of a weapon will most likely lead to escalation of violence (differing from society at large, where 'most likely' goes out the window and the individual is wise to be prepared for any eventuality).  These places are importantly already controlled areas where security is present, or at least some regulating authority in the case of some bars (though there are also bars where the police are stationed on weekends).

With all the cowards now a days screaming for the state to take our guns and declare for itself an absolute monopoly on organized violence, I'm glad to see someone standing up for the individuals right to defend themselves, and for the concept of personal responsibility in society.  

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 08:23:58 AM »
A couple of weeks ago utah lifted the gun ban for campuses. Or is the word campusi?

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2007/04/29/natcampus0429a.html

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 08:29:20 AM »
I agree with 68 even about bars and sporting events...  No guns at those... everyone knows that a gunshot spooks cattle.

Crowds are cattle.. it is not people but a mob of emotion just waiting to self destruct.   I avoid huge crowds as much as possible.  Like sporting events.. that many morons in one place is inconceivable to me.  If you get shot or killed there you deserve it.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 09:06:26 AM »
I do think that guns are too easily obtained by fruitcakes and violent offenders. I would speculate that most ex-cons of violent crime have at least one gun. With the exeption of bars, I support ccw carry in all private owned public places. I think there should be a law against carrying under the influence if there isn't allready.

Hospitals are a very vulnerable place, much like schools. I think in hospitals only the staff should be allowed to carry, but not into rooms or when interacting directly with the patients. Weapons should be secured like in the locker room or the narcotics vault; a secure, nearby, centralised location.

I say only staff should be allowed because a hospital is an extremely emotionally charged place for visitors and patients. For example a man's young child is dying or has just died.

I would support more indepth background checks. It's easier for a nut job to get a gun than it is for him to buy a plane ticket.

Should it be legal to sell a gun if you don't have a firearm dealer license?

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 11:07:16 AM »
The drunk law for firearms in Michigan is

Carless, Reckless, or Negligent use of a Firearm Act 45 of 1952, Parts 752.861 - .864


I just applied for my CCW here and they give you a copy of the state firearms laws. There are a bunch, even ones that say you can not use a computer to shoot with.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 11:29:39 AM »
I was on Duty, in uniform, and ended up in the emergency room.  The medical staff would not work on me until another officer came and retrieved my firearm.  That was one of the most stupid things I've ever seen.  They'll give an illegal free aid but they wont help someone who is upholding the law.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 04:21:56 PM »
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The drunk law for firearms in Michigan is

Carless, Reckless, or Negligent use of a Firearm Act 45 of 1952, Parts 752.861 - .864


I just applied for my CCW here and they give you a copy of the state firearms laws. There are a bunch, even ones that say you can not use a computer to shoot with.


Interesting, they must be reacting to the wave of internet hunting that tried to take off.  Good thing too.  It can only hurt.

I'm from MI and I can see a bunch of people setting up remote hunting blinds in their back 40 to make a buck on the internet.  What happens when little Johny takes his dirt bike back there?  Besides, only kills the spirit of the sport.

Xargos, that really sucks!  They should have at least been able to leave it on the OFFICER or have a willing doctor clear it and take charge of it until another officer could arrive.  How injured were you?
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 04:32:30 PM »
I was one of two officers with an inmate at the hospital and I just passed out and woke up in the emergency room.  They wouldn't even hook me up to the EKG until my firearm was removed.  The other officer was too busy with the inmate to retrieve my firearm.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2007, 09:20:46 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2007, 09:24:05 PM »
:lol I'm wondering how many places you all have went or been to where people had guns on them and you never knew. How many sporting events people have had guns and folks never knew. How many state office buildings people in Texas walk into daily with guns and no one ever knows.

Thats why it's called concealed.

:lol I work in a State Building. I know it can happen.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2007, 11:21:23 PM »
I can garentee you one thing. If this happens there will never be another major sporting event in the state of Texas. The governing bodies wouldn't allow it.

Can you imagine allowing guns at Texas Motor Speedway and Jeff Gordon wins? (I know, you can dream) NASCAR would pull every race at TMS.

Imagine allowing A.J. Foyt to carry a pistol in victory lane and some foreigner telling him that he won and A.J. lost. It wouldn't be a fistfight. Luckily, the infield care center is close by.
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