Author Topic: Beaufighter and Mosquito (Read 1712 times)

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #30 on:** May 23, 2007, 06:47:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Yarbles
Maybe not just garner but also lead customer opinion eh

maybe so! im totaly for this action, it must get sickening posting as your original 'Hitech' forum name and knowing that as soon as you show your face you will be jumped on by 200+ forum scum bags all wanting to know this that and the other, and wanting to know NOW!

must be a great liberation of those pressures being able to work under cover.

Yarbles · « **Reply #31 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:19:08 AM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
maybe so! im totaly for this action, it must get sickening posting as your original 'Hitech' forum name and knowing that as soon as you show your face you will be jumped on by 200+ forum scum bags all wanting to know this that and the other, and wanting to know NOW!

must be a great liberation of those pressures being able to work under cover.

Is this a confession?

Yarbles · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:31:30 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
As much as a bomber mosquito would be welcomed, I'm against having it with formations enabled.

Heavy bombers need their formations in order to allow a small number of pilots (1-2) still have a defense of a bomber box. For the mosquito, the formation is a hindrance defensively and will only serve as to allow a single player to deliver a larger payload in a sneak attack. The drones will be expendable in case it is attacked - that is dweeb play.

This is pretty much true of the lanc which in my opinion has virtually no defence in its .303's and has to rely almost entirely on height. The mossie would at least have speed and height but if the perk points are highish say half of the 234 then dwebness, dweebing or dweebetry should be minimised as 1) points must be earned 2) when earned they would soon be squadered unless the atack was fast, high and well considered. Remove the drone option and I believe the mosquito would not be often used as it would take a minimum of 3-4 players to seriosly close down a base. Lone targets have very little significance beyond 15 minute down time and even with a mossie this is not enough time to execute a meaningfull raid on a meaningfull target. In short without drones it becomes another niche plane like the 234.

I think the existing mossie can infact fullfill most of the role you would propose for a new plane and it is precisely its limited bomb capacity as much as its lack of a bomb site which limits its use. TBH it is only the lack of capacity which stops me from considerin the Boston more often. It I was after a single hanger however I would only risk 1 as opposed to all 3 mossies but this would always be heavily influenced by the cost.

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B@tfinkV · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:31:38 AM »

trust no one!

how do we know u aint one of them?

Yarbles · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:37:55 AM »

And if I was would I know:noid

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #35 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:42:45 AM »

oh noes, now im scared, what if i am and i dont know...

Krusty · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:59:23 AM »

Formations are for carpet bombing. Mosquitos were pinpoint bombers.

I agree with Yarbles. That would be dweeb play, to enable formations on a bomber-snout mossie.

Yarbles · « **Reply #37 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:12:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Formations are for carpet bombing. Mosquitos were pinpoint bombers.

I agree with Yarbles. That would be dweeb play, to enable formations on a bomber-snout mossie.

Hang on a minute I want formations because many bomer pilots (like me) want to be able to fly effective individual sorties as well as with their squads or fly with drones as part of combined opperations where they can play a significant individual role.

My point in all of this is that if we brought the mossie in as an unperked formation bomber it would have a radical effect on the balance between atack and defence so I guess it has to be perked. Perked in a way where it wont be squadered in a dweeboistic way but used effectively individually or with drones at some risk to the pilot in terms of points. Without the perk I think it would make many of the existing bombers including the heavies obsolete and force the fighters to fly higher in order to defend in a meaningfull way. Infact it would be interesting like the firefly to limit it to one arena for a period unperked to see if this was the case.

(I think in ww2 it was a wasted opportunity but very much a one off as itr was superceeded by Jets but in my opinion was the zenith of the exiting prop technology in a bomber because of its accuracy and serviveability)

If I misunderstood you Krusty appologies and generally I hate reading long posts so appologies in general

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #38 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:17:38 AM »

hey yarbles i think the biggest problem with mossy formations, as someone else already posted, is that they have no tail guns.
no tail guns = only defence available is manouver.

and we all know what happens with warping drones and proxy kills when a formations starts manouvering wildly to eascape an attacker. the mossy only has nose guns, and therefore is more a fighter than a formation bomber.
only solution that is available to us in reality, is to find a couple of wingmen to fly alongside you

Yarbles · « **Reply #39 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:56:31 AM »

234 has no effective tail guns and the mossie concept was always fly high and out run, bomber had no guns originally. If you dont think you can do that you dont fly a formation and probably not even singly. Would you take a lanc into a heavily defended area at less than say 20k and expect to get home?

BTW does anyone know how much faster a 234 is at altitude than a pure bomber mossie. Not that much I guess. If the mossie is slower it also should out climb and out accelerate the 234 as well as carry a similar but more flexible bomb load with a greater range. What makes the 234 a poor proposition for me is slow climb and its two expensive as well as unrealistic having played little part in any number during the conflict.

Yarbles · « **Reply #40 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:57:57 AM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
only defence available is manouver.

Have you tried getting someone of your six in a mossie?

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #41 on:** May 23, 2007, 10:00:55 AM »

yes, my most effective manouver usually involves ripping off vital plane parts in high G manouvers and then being set on fire by a fairy's fart.

works everytime.

Yarbles · « **Reply #42 on:** May 23, 2007, 10:11:33 AM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
yes, my most effective manouver usually involves ripping off vital plane parts in high G manouvers and then being set on fire by a fairy's fart.

works everytime.

Excellent, I reckon if its perked make it about the same as spit 14 and that will deter the reckless use of the drones.

Furball · « **Reply #43 on:** May 23, 2007, 11:00:04 AM »

Some of you seem to be forgetting that bomber formations are optional.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #44 on:** May 23, 2007, 11:18:40 AM »

if by that you mean those who want to fight/live in a mossie can just take a single plane.

yeah, cool.

what isnt cool is when the guy who takes a formation decides that evasive manouvers are the only option, and the resulting warp-o-rama is just about the most stupid looking event in the game.