Changing things through

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Dadano
Read the freaking transcript! You'll see, via the question and answer section, that these kids are in fact interested in more than "boobs and beer pong".
Believe it or not I learned Shakespeare and Calculus in my "academically inferior"  high school. I also learned to not tear the packaging of the rubber with my teeth but with my hands. I am eternally grateful on all accounts. Things have changed, "stupid" isn't as cool as it used to be when you went to school.

which begs the question how long have you been out of HS? class of ??

77 here

[bustr]

Dano,

I read the transcript. It was a stacked panel preaching to an eager choir. There was no one presenting any alternatives. The problem with the consiquences of your decisions in youth are that if your choices then don't emidiatly nail you, you pay 30 years later while you are smart enough through experience to go watermelon I wish I coulda done it different. Then you try to teach our children or your grand children.

[Shuckins]

No academician has the right to belittle abstinence and self-restraint (Boy...is THAT a dieing concept!) while requiring my child to attend panel discussions espousing left-wing notions of lax sexual mores.  They don't have that right...period.

Parents should be the ones to choose the type of sexual education that their children take advantage of....not the schools.  Protestations that the speakers in question were encouraging "responsible sex" miss this point entirely.


Gad!  No left coast liberal should be allowed to migrate east of the Sierra Nevadas.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Eagler
which begs the question how long have you been out of HS? class of ??

77 here

punk kid.

[Dadano]

It was a stacked panel preaching to an eager choir.

I agree. Kids are naturally very curious about screwing and different levels of consciousness. That is why I think this was a good discussion to have with them.

There was no one presenting any alternatives.

..but you know, when you are 13, 12, 13, 14, certainly one of the most appropriate sexual behaviors would be masturbation.  (laughter from audience)  Masturbate.  Please masturbate.

That is a great alternative to sex imo.
or

...make up any excuse you want.  “I’m abstinent. Uhm, uhm, my best friend, you know, died of AIDS.” Whatever.  If you need an excuse to say no to somebody, because of the peer pressure—again, peer pressure can be hard.

Good advice, no?

No academician has the right to belittle abstinence and self-restraint

Please point out where they belittle abstinence and self restraint. Thanks.

[midnight Target]

Hey wait.. those danged Left Coast scienti... er hippies!


Minnesota's Abstinence-Only Sex Education Doesn't Work

maybe the guy was just trying to really help.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by midnight Target
punk kid.

I wish

[Shuckins]

Aw c'mon MT...you and I both know what's going on here.  

Abstinence came under attack during the sexual revolution of the 1960s.  Our kids and grandkids are fed a steady diet of "sexual freedom" and "the joys of promiscuity" on a daily basis.  You can't turn on a tv during prime time without being bombarded by scenes of mindless bed-hopping, look-at-me-I'm-gay or bang-with-me-I'm-hot, oversexed twits.  You can't open a magazine or newspaper or, apparently, a biology textbook without encountering the new-age sexual mores being espoused by Hollywood or other bastions of left-wing ideology.

Fighting off peer pressure, and trying to remain abstinent, during the teenage years is difficult enough without that type of fuel being thrown on the fire.  Leftist idealogues have been attempting to torpedo the abstinence movement ever since it was first organized.

If our youth are more sexually promiscuous today than they were 50 years ago it's because they have been programmed to be.

Yet, all that is completely beside the point.  Sex education should be voluntary, and attendance at some "sexual-activity-is-good-so-be-prepared" thinktank should not be required.

[Dadano]

Bout halfway down the WND article they cite Bill O'Really,

He played a recording of an "unidentified male" saying: "We all experiment. It's very natural for young people to experiment with same sex relationships. When you are 13, 12, 13, 14 certainly probably one of the most appropriate sexual behaviors would be masturbation. Even today, there are psychiatrists who will do sessions under the influence of ecstasy. If I had some maybe I'd do it with someone, but you know."

and goes on to say,

The transcript obtained by WND showed those comments also were from Becker.

That is just about as far out of context as you can get, not to mention a blatant lie. I'll clear it up for you, add some context. The bold lettering below is what WND picked from transcript.

(This is a very important way of learning, from mistakes. But you know, taking someone who may have made a mistake, and you make them feel much worse about themselves—that  they have betrayed their covenant with God, that they’re dirty, they’re impure, something is wrong with them.  It’s a mistake.  We all make mistakes.)We all experiment. It's very natural for young people to experiment with same sex relationships.-Sanho Tree<---in response to the question, "Does the education of abstinence hurt our ability to education children about sex?".
 
(So, what else do I mean by having healthy sexual behavior?  I think that we also want to have a definition of healthy sexual behavior as sexual behavior that is appropriate to your level of emotional development.  Now what does that mouthful mean?  Well, I’m not sure that ninth graders, tenth graders, eleventh graders, and twelfth graders are all exactly equal, in fact I’m fairly sure you’re not, in your level of emotional development in terms of what you can handle.  And if you think that having sex doesn’t come with feelings, that’s where you’re mistaken.  Sex does come with having feelings, and that’s what you have to have to be prepared for.  I’m going to come back to that in a second, but I also just want to just comment on, you know, I’ve been told that this is a very liberal high school, and I’m probably speaking to the choir by encouraging you to have healthy sexual behavior because most of your parents probably have given you similar views, but you know,)When you are 13, 12, 13, 14 certainly probably one of the most appropriate sexual behaviors would be masturbation. Masturbate.  Please masturbate.-Becker<---From his introduction.

(Joel Becker:  I would add onto what Sanho said in terms of that same thing I was talking about, in terms of your emotional development.  I mean, I agree with Sanho that the human animal has seemed to want to change its consciousness to some other consciousness since the beginning of time, and I think that people are going to continue to do that.  But, I think we have to find a way for people to do that in the safest way possible—harm reduction.  And there’s no question that people’s worlds are changed after their consciousness is changed.  Well, you have to really sort of think, am I ready to have my world changed?  I’m 14 years old.  Maybe I’m not ready to see what one sees on LSD.  Maybe I’m not ready to have the feelings that mescaline provides in my body, or ecstasy, because a lot of those feelings have to do with feelings of being out of control, and they can be very scary to a person who doesn’t have a strong enough sense of themselves, and that’s why people end up having bad trips at young ages.  They’re just not ready.  As a psychologist, I know the history of the use of psychedelics. There’s a very famous man named Timothy Leary at Harvard who did therapy with LSD.)Even today, there are psychiatrists who will do sessions under the influence of ecstasy. If I had some, maybe I’d do it with somebody, but I don’t (they left this out), you know.  I haven’t tried it but there are people that do it.-Becker following Tree's response to a students question about how narcotics fit into society.

Regardless of our opinions of abstinence vs. sex-ed. The article is fallacy, faulty and fluffied. It does not bode well for the credibility of the Abstinence camp. Someone might consider emailing WND and alerting them to their mistake.

[Eagler]

its all good - right?
after all I'm sure they'll cover the "dangers" of birth control by abortion in their "family living" classes ...

[wrag]

Originally posted by Dadano
You don't even know what they were talking about. All you know of it is from a garbage piece of writing spewed by some biased site on the internet.
Read the transcript.

I don't?

Hmmmm.............

So I don't have children?

So I don't have GrandChildren?

Thinkin here the response I see is one that says what is happening is a good thing?

The response I see is that the state SHOULD continue to teach sexual values/morals to everyones children without telling the parents?

I disagree.  I read the text books given to my children.  I discussed my childrens education with my children.  We talked about the things they were TOLD in class.  As well as the things printed in their text books.

As to reading the transcripts, yes I read them.  I still disagree with what was done WITHOUT informing the parents and WITHOUT parental consent in some cases.

That SEEMS to be the part that is being MISSED here!

Parents are NOT being consulted or informed.  The STATE is deciding what to teach and how to teach it.

[Dadano]

Sorry Wrag. I understand what you mean. Lets agree to disagree on the abstinence vs. sex ed debate.
The article was blatantly crap so I threw everyone defending it into the same crap filled boat. Sorry gents.
Maybe you pick the article a little more careful next time:aok

[wrag]

Originally posted by Dadano
Sorry Wrag. I understand what you mean. Lets agree to disagree on the abstinence vs. sex ed debate.
The article was blatantly crap so I threw everyone defending it into the same crap filled boat. Sorry gents.
Maybe you pick the article a little more careful next time:aok

OK....... we disagree?

I have no problem with individuals that enter CONSENTING.

To me it's part of being FREE or perhaps a better expression is AT LIBERTY.

"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Anglo-Irish playwright, critic

So if they make a decision to do something that is their business.

I also agree that they should have INFORMATION or be INFORMED.

I still remember certain magazines, hmm lets call em girly mags, telling everyone that if it felt good do it.  You know the ones.  Seemed like everyone had a subscription to em.  Claimed they were reading em for the articles.

They even had, oh so carefully selected, so called experts telling everyone how SAFE it was and how modern medicine had conqured ALL the diseases involved.

I found myself WANTING to believe them.

Hey I was young and it sounded like fun and it sounded GOOD!

BUT somewhere deep in my mind or heart I had doubts.

Doubts that I NEVER managed to get rid of.

You see I had been informed by parents and family.  The information they gave me was contrary to what the mags were all saying and what SO MANY of my friends were believing.

Turns out my Parents and family were the ones that were RIGHT!

The claimed experts were WRONG!  

The girly mags were WRONG!

ALLOT of lives were ruined or even LOST because so many were told what they WANTED to believe!  AND they CHOOSE to believe.

There is a GREAT deal of information that Doctors and Scientist DON'T KNOW!

They still don't understand how a hormone actually works!

In fact their still finding/identifying new ones.

So how can they make some of the claims they're making?

A point..............

Wash your hands.

Smell your fingertips.

Now pick up a penny, smell it, smells like copper right?

Now rub your fingertips over it.

Put down the penny and smell your fingertips, smells just like the penny?

Why?

Acid in the skins oil.

You have copper molecules on( or would IN be more correct?) you fingers now.

So.....................

Is it possible that everything you touch leaves part of itself on you and part of you remains on the things you touch?  I say YES, and have thought so for MANY years!

Science seems to think so too!  Do a lookup.  I'm pretty sure you will find articles talking about, how in the future they will be following people around using their DNA trail.  They just need to prefect the machines to do it.


SOOOOOOOOOOOOO............... ...........


Are we talking about a molecular exchange here????????????


If so................

Just how much of the other consenting person becomes a part of you?


Just how much of you becomes a part of the other consenting person?

Something I always try very hard to keep in my mind............

"He who is unaware of his ignorance will be only misled by his knowledge." —Richard Whately

........... been there, done that, think I even have the t-shirt!!!!

Bottom line is PEOPLE!

We are people, this includes the individuals that are telling everyone if it feels good do it.

PLEASE... be very careful about what these PEOPLE are telling you, as it may NOT be correct!  The problem is, the fact that what you are being told could be WRONG, may not come to light for several years!  

Hey I'm NOT saying run around being afraid of everything!  

I AM SAYING.......... some of those old wives tales, stories, fairy tales, etc.... ARE BASED on TRUETH!  Sadly science has not yet found those TRUETHS!

"Institutional psychiatry is a continuation of the Inquisition. All that has changed really is the vocabulary and the social style. The vocabulary conforms to the intellectual expectations of our age: it is a pseudo-medical jargon that
parodies the concepts of science. The social style conforms to the political expectations of our age: it is a pseudo-liberal social movement that parodies the ideals of freedom and rationality."

Thomas Szasz (b. 1920)
American psychiatrist

[john9001]

.......hmmmm?

[Gunthr]

lol