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Offline Angus

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« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2007, 08:24:36 AM »
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Why do you want to CONTRIBUTE to global warming? :O


This theory there is about the biggest rubbish I have ever seen, and holds no water. Well, - there is a lot of crap floating around anyway.

BTW, a very recent IR survey  (from space) shows forests as much "colder" zones. All fits basically.
Bottom line, all the biomass tying up in a forest is a lot of charbon being sucked from the atmosphere. A rotting forest will bring it back, and some part in the form of Methane. Just ask Jackal if you're confused.  :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2007, 08:52:13 AM »
bustr..  I think that you are correct.  I also believe that the whole man made global warming issue is a simply another angle at getting power and control.

let's put things out in the open now that we are in the mood thanks to bustr..

We aren't so much talking about ending man made global warming as we are.... controlling the weather...  nothing less than that.

The lefties will at least admit to 25-50% of the new global warming as having to do with the sun and volcanoes and other acts of nature or god.

If these trends continue.. we are doomed in any case.   it will just take longer... If they reverse... we will be doomed anyway but buried under ice with nothing to eat instead of cooked.

More reality..  oil that is easy to get to with todays tools is getting scarce... the price is going up..  people will want more fuel efficient cars or cars that don't use the stuff... supply and demand will fix it.

power to run our homes is getting more expensive... people will get off the grid or the grid will get cheaper... nuke power.. individual solar... wind.... supply and demand as the tools get better.  

the new bulbs are great..  good light... cheap to run and last forever... this was not true of the first ones... if they had been mandated everyone would have had to either keep em on all the time (they took forever to start up) and /or run twice as many (they put out half the light).. it would have made things worse..  like smog laws of the 70's

phoo asked about catalytic converters... here is the holy grail of regulation.. the one thing that socialists can point to as "working" while forcing people to do something.

They are like seatbelts to me... force the car companies to install them.   After that... who cares..  I should not be forced to wear a seatbelt or replace a worn out catalytic converter.   Fact is tho... most new cars won't run that well without em.  and older cars...  who cares?  there are not enough of em on the road to matter.

I say... tone down the global whining... let the free market take care of it... they say chinas demand for oil will suck the planet dry... how much demand will there be in china for $200 a barrel oil?  how many 12 mpg cars will china make and use?

The problems will work themselves out... the free market will do it and the meddling of the left will just make things worse for everyone.

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« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2007, 09:19:29 AM »
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This theory there is about the biggest rubbish I have ever seen, and holds no water. Well, - there is a lot of crap floating around anyway.

BTW, a very recent IR survey  (from space) shows forests as much "colder" zones. All fits basically.
Bottom line, all the biomass tying up in a forest is a lot of charbon being sucked from the atmosphere. A rotting forest will bring it back, and some part in the form of Methane. Just ask Jackal if you're confused.  :D


What's even more absurd is your claim that "More Trees,=Less Global Warming". Not even close to the truth.

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« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2007, 11:49:20 AM »
Ballocks.
(Hint: A tree contains a lot of C)
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2007, 03:24:05 PM »
Laz,

It's not going to be us as individuals who solve what ever this is. Hydrogen power is the holy grail to eliminate CO2 emission from internal combustion engines. Bio-fuels from what I can tell pollute just as much where CO2 is concerned. Electric motor technology has an evil shadow side in the amounts of carbon based fuel it takes to produce the components and batteries.

A paradim shift in technology and the total infrastructure all the way to the final profit margin will be what solves it. "It" is the real question. Is "IT" really the foundation of energy technology our world relies on, or is the maybe possibly sooner or later world disaster called man made global warming it?

You asked for what this BBS protagonists were each indivigualy willing to do to solve the "IT". As usual the IT becomes a platform for everyone to tell everyone one else they don't agree with what kind of scum sucking peicies of watermelon they think you are and how great, wonderful, scientificaly genius prone and full of saintly virtue they are.

No one on this BBS has any interest  in denying themselves anything during their lifetime. But we all WANT the paradim shift, especially with the promise in new energy technologies. No one is arguing against hydrogen or solar or the panthion of emerging technologies. But the how of acheiving the paradim shift is reveling a widening divergence in the human condition.

Because technology has turned our planet into a tiny sandbox in a virtual perspective, two definable human groups are becoming dominant life style ideologies. One wants the sandbox regulated by an oversight elite in the belief that things will run more smoothly and all changes will happen asap after the anointed genius preisthood identify and issue solutions for any problem in the universe. This is due to their basic belief that the average individual is always suspect in their general intelectual and cognitive abilities. The other group wants to be left alone to face and overcome all of the problems in the universe only banding together with others as needed. And in general believes all human beings have and can use most of the cognitive ability we all are born with if they are not conditioned to be DUMB by their ruling elite.

Laz you aint going to get any comitments or answers here. Just a measure of ideological affinities. I noticed no one wanted to talk about the two technologies I linked to. Both are interesting. The website is gizmag.com. Always very interesting technology articles there.
bustr - POTW 1st Wing


This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2007, 03:47:57 PM »
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Because technology has turned our planet into a tiny sandbox in a virtual perspective, two definable human groups are becoming dominant life style ideologies. One wants the sandbox regulated by an oversight elite in the belief that things will run more smoothly and all changes will happen asap after the anointed genius preisthood identify and issue solutions for any problem in the universe. This is due to their basic belief that the average individual is always suspect in their general intelectual and cognitive abilities. The other group wants to be left alone to face and overcome all of the problems in the universe only banding together with others as needed. And in general believes all human beings have and can use most of the cognitive ability we all are born with if they are not conditioned to be DUMB by their ruling elite.


And right here is a picture-perfect demonstration of a false dichotomy.

At least I agree with you that we should get rid of the priesthood.