Islamophobia and Salman Rushdie

[bustr]

Crokett,

Please tell everyone the "new" Federal regulations you have to work by while you provide a pornography website to the public. Then tell everyone in non idelogical terms why you are angry at those regulations. I seem to remember part of the new regulations are to insure that the tiny teen lust pictures you host are indeed petite 18 or over young ladies. But then we all love peeking at our neighbors 12 year old daughter when she bends over in her teeny bikini in the backyard pool don't we??

Or that the young Gay twink pictures are not 14 year old or even younger eyecandy for NAMBLA degenerats. Don't you have to get the personal information of every person in every photo and movie, then keep it on record for the Fed before you can host the content? How bad are the fines and "punishment" if you mess up when the christian financed gestopo comes knocking? Oops....FBI.

I think more than just the evil christian extreamists here in the U.S. had something to do with the legislation. Not all PARENTS in the U.S. have given up on their children's future. I know those evil parents had just a teeni weeni bit to do with it. But hey they can just keep their children off your webpage since prono is a fast buck. After all you have a living to make and all that capitolistic mumbo jumbo.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by crockett
LoL typical..

Think long and hard on that, I mean real long and hard. then Take a wild guess as to what you think my answer is. I won't even bother to answer because I'm sure you know the answer already.

It's almost as idiotic as me asking you..

Do you think it's ok for Christians to blow up abortion clinics and kill the staff.  Ok to kill one doctor because then he can't do any more abortions? Is it ok as long as it get's the job done?

Or better yet.. I saw on TV once some Christians out there in the west somewhere whom played with snakes, because Jesus would keep them safe. Is that what all good Christians do, if you don't play with snakes does that mean you don't believe in Jesus?

Kinda insulting is it?

Actually it was a legitimate and serious question. Instead of making an assumption, wrongly, you might have asked me about it.

So I'll ask again. So what is your feeling regarding pedophiles and child pornography? If they pay the bill is it ok to have their particular kind of "stuff" on your web sites?

As far as I know I haven't made any statements regarding the blowing up of abortion clinics or the murder of the staff members of said clinic, so I don't know where you get off thinking I had that in mind.

The folks who play with snakes certainly had no place regarding my question. I asked a secular question for secular purposes. I made no mention whatsoever about any kind of religious influence. That is totally your inference as it was neither stated nor implied in my questions.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Maverick
Actually it was a legitimate and serious question. Instead of making an assumption, wrongly, you might have asked me about it.

So I'll ask again. So what is your feeling regarding pedophiles and child pornography? If they pay the bill is it ok to have their particular kind of "stuff" on your web sites?

As far as I know I haven't made any statements regarding the blowing up of abortion clinics or the murder of the staff members of said clinic, so I don't know where you get off thinking I had that in mind.

The folks who play with snakes certainly had no place regarding my question. I asked a secular question for secular purposes. I made no mention whatsoever about any kind of religious influence. That is totally your inference as it was neither stated nor implied in my questions.

So you think just because someone is in the Adult industry, that they support CP? Go back and listen to the 700 club some more. You didn't get an answer because it should be pretty dam obvious to you.

Did you know that the US hotel chains and cable companies are the biggest profiteers of porn world wide? Did you know they make more than Playboy and Hustler corps?

Would you ask the Time Warner executive if he supported CP? Would you ask Paris Hilton if her family supports CP?

You know the answer to your question because your question is trying to imply that Adult content somehow supports CP. It's the same as me saying that every Christian thinks New Orleans deserved to be wiped off the map because of their Evil sinful ways just like they claim on the 700 club.

[crockett]

Originally posted by bustr
Crokett,

Please tell everyone the "new" Federal regulations you have to work by while you provide a pornography website to the public. Then tell everyone in non idelogical terms why you are angry at those regulations. I seem to remember part of the new regulations are to insure that the tiny teen lust pictures you host are indeed petite 18 or over young ladies. But then we all love peeking at our neighbors 12 year old daughter when she bends over in her teeny bikini in the backyard pool don't we??

Or that the young Gay twink pictures are not 14 year old or even younger eyecandy for NAMBLA degenerats. Don't you have to get the personal information of every person in every photo and movie, then keep it on record for the Fed before you can host the content? How bad are the fines and "punishment" if you mess up when the christian financed gestopo comes knocking? Oops....FBI.

I think more than just the evil christian extreamists here in the U.S. had something to do with the legislation. Not all PARENTS in the U.S. have given up on their children's future. I know those evil parents had just a teeni weeni bit to do with it. But hey they can just keep their children off your webpage since prono is a fast buck. After all you have a living to make and all that capitolistic mumbo jumbo.

Actually if you knew anything about what you were talking about you would understand what the FBI is doing is nothing in-regards to actually fighting CP. What the FBI is being used for is pretty much nothing but Fluff work, sad to say.

Also you would know the the 2256 and 2257 laws have been on the books for quite a few years already. The wording of 2257 was changed recently to muddy up the waters a bit. In an atempt to get more out of it than what it was intend to be.  Over all it's still the same law that we have been working under for quite some time.

The biggest change to it was requirement for secondary producers which is currently tied up in court right now and I'm exempt from inspections under an agreement with the Free Speech collation and the  Attorney General's office.

The law has been on the books something like 10 years now. You know how many inspections the FBI did before this last year? A big fat ZERO.

You might ask out of the 10 or 15 inspections they have done to date since the updates. Did anyone fail? I'm sure you will be happy to know, that not a single adult company has failed it's inspections.

The only reason the law was changed was because the COPA Act was found to be un constitutional by the Supreme Court. So in response the current AG decided to try to go around the laws by modifying a law that was already on the books.

Thanks to what he has done, the entire 2257 law will likely be dismissed as unconstitutional or a very big part of it as it now stands. I've said it all along that the Admin is all about "headlines" and that was just a big headline for them.

The law it's self doesn't bug me, if it was being used for it's intended use. However it's just being used as a tool to harass legit businesses that this admin has issues with. The FBI on the other hand seems to act pretty professional during the inspections and tends to act like they would rather be working on real crimes. (go figure)

Upset with them? Yea you could say that but for reasons you probably don't want to hear or accept. Yea I'm a little upset that our govt is more worried about harassing legit businesses, than actually fighting real CP

Thanks to good ole Alberto, there is quite a bit of the 2257 law that's going to be over turned as being un-constitutional and it's going to be tied up in court for the next several years. So does it affect me.. Na not really.

[AKIron]

What was the Queen thinking? Then again, who doesn't like to poke a hornet's nest?

[bustr]

crockett,

Free Speech collation  = Pornography Industry = $11B per year.

Is it more on the mark that you dislike christians because christians beleive pornography is a sin and evil? You make a living with pornography, and probably think they are whack jobs. As dangerous or worse than muslim extreamists because they can have some affect in passing anti-smut laws which might affect your monitary and legal bottom line. Their judgement of pornography can be construed as a real and very personal attack due to the congressional end results based only on their beleifs?

Think about it. A bunch of Holy Rollers can convice their congress critters that nekked girls is smut and actually pass laws against nothing but showing pictures of nekked girls so you can't pay the light bill. I hear in Iran they just shoot smut peddlers and be done with it. At least you live in America. The Holy Rollers may get laws passed, but there is no history of dragging poor defenceless web meisters into the street and shooting them for pictures of nekked girls. But didn't some movie director in europe get killed because he insulted Mohammed and Islam with one of his productions?

[Wolfala]

Well, I look at this argument a couple of ways.

I remember one of the virtues was, and you can quote me on this:  

"Chaste"

But if you stuck to Chaste as a virtue none of us would be around to argue about it.

The other thing is this; as a driving force in technology (cam corders, DVD, and various incarnations of the MPEG 4 isospec), the guys who have been driving the technology we've been taking advantage of on the internet has been the porn industry FROM DAY 1.

In one of the companies I used to work for we were in DVD authoring. You know who had the most up to date Video Codecs? Sure as hell wasn't comming out of the Microsoft camp. So each employee was given a per-diem to browse through the porn sites and farm their codecs so we could figure out which was best to use for content delivery, bandwidth vs compression, etc.

And it still is the leading driver for innovation especially when dealing with compression algorythms. As for ethics - we're blessed with free will and do with it as we please.

Wolf

[Maverick]

Originally posted by crockett
So you think just because someone is in the Adult industry, that they support CP? Go back and listen to the 700 club some more. You didn't get an answer because it should be pretty dam obvious to you.

Did you know that the US hotel chains and cable companies are the biggest profiteers of porn world wide? Did you know they make more than Playboy and Hustler corps?

Would you ask the Time Warner executive if he supported CP? Would you ask Paris Hilton if her family supports CP?

You know the answer to your question because your question is trying to imply that Adult content somehow supports CP. It's the same as me saying that every Christian thinks New Orleans deserved to be wiped off the map because of their Evil sinful ways just like they claim on the 700 club.

Once again you are assuming something that is incorrect. You don't know me so the idea that you know what I am thinking is somewhat silly. Please don't presume to put words in my post that were never there.

I'll try to say this as simply as I can. I have no interest in religious ramifications regarding the questions I asked. I did not mention any religious aspects at all in the questions I asked.

I also didn't ask anything about the hotel industry, time warner, playboy, hustler or any part of the television industry up to and including the 700 show which I have never watched.

I asked YOU the questions because I had a secular (as in non religious)  interest in what YOU thought as a member of the industry of web industry. I suppose since you have responded twice now with veiled personal attacks that you are unable or simply unwilling to answer. If you do not want to answer simply own up to it and say so and get off your self rightous indignation about something I wasn't speaking about.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Wolfala
Well, I look at this argument a couple of ways.

I remember one of the virtues was, and you can quote me on this:  

"Chaste"

But if you stuck to Chaste as a virtue none of us would be around to argue about it.

The other thing is this; as a driving force in technology (cam corders, DVD, and various incarnations of the MPEG 4 isospec), the guys who have been driving the technology we've been taking advantage of on the internet has been the porn industry FROM DAY 1.

In one of the companies I used to work for we were in DVD authoring. You know who had the most up to date Video Codecs? Sure as hell wasn't comming out of the Microsoft camp. So each employee was given a per-diem to browse through the porn sites and farm their codecs so we could figure out which was best to use for content delivery, bandwidth vs compression, etc.

And it still is the leading driver for innovation especially when dealing with compression algorythms. As for ethics - we're blessed with free will and do with it as we please.

Wolf

Exactly people are so quick to try to condemn porn for this or that. However those very people reap the benefits of what adult has brought along with it.

You guys think they would be streaming streaming Sunday church over the net if it wasn't because of the adult industry?

Not to mention what the adult industry has done in regards for free speech in America. The people of this country's freedoms of speech have been fought for and continue to be fought for by the adult industry time and time again.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by crockett
Exactly people are so quick to try to condemn porn for this or that. However those very people reap the benefits of what adult has brought along with it.

You guys think they would be streaming streaming Sunday church over the net if it wasn't because of the adult industry?

Not to mention what the adult industry has done in regards for free speech in America. The people of this country's freedoms of speech have been fought for and continue to be fought for by the adult industry time and time again.

Comeon, the "adult industry" has no interest in freedom of speech beyond profitability. Those of moral character who would allow free will must suffer the ills associated with humanity's proclivity to self destruction.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Maverick
Once again you are assuming something that is incorrect. You don't know me so the idea that you know what I am thinking is somewhat silly. Please don't presume to put words in my post that were never there.

I'll try to say this as simply as I can. I have no interest in religious ramifications regarding the questions I asked. I did not mention any religious aspects at all in the questions I asked.

I also didn't ask anything about the hotel industry, time warner, playboy, hustler or any part of the television industry up to and including the 700 show which I have never watched.

I asked YOU the questions because I had a secular (as in non religious)  interest in what YOU thought as a member of the industry of web industry. I suppose since you have responded twice now with veiled personal attacks that you are unable or simply unwilling to answer. If you do not want to answer simply own up to it and say so and get off your self rightous indignation about something I wasn't speaking about.

You are going to try and sit there and act holier than thou after you ask this:

"So what is your feeling regarding pedophiles and child pornography? If they pay the bill is it ok to have their particular kind of "stuff" on your web sites? [/b]"

You somehow expect me to believe that you aren't trying to insinuate that I think it's ok to push CP just because I'm in the Adult industry?

If you weren't trying to give that impression why did you just stop the question with the first part?

So what is your feeling regarding pedophiles and child pornography?

If you asked that question I wouldn't have a single problem in the world answering it. However you most defiantly added the second part of your question to imply that because I'm in the Adult industry that I must also push CP.

For the first question of course I despise CP and those whom produce it, or watch it.  I fully support the asacp.com and have donated to them several times and also been part of fund raisers within the adult community to support the asacp.

I think you can figure out my stance on your second question yourself.

In regards to this topic I think we have strayed far enough off topic. I may have led it there a bit but I felt my first responce was in line with the scope of the topic.

As far as the topic of adult and how I choose to make my living, I personally don't think it has a place on this forum. I only posted what I do, because I was asked and Im' not going to lie about what I do as I feel no need too.

[Shuckins]

Let me see if I understand this correctly:  The heroic porn industry, which is slopping over with redeeming social value, stands as a defender of first amendment freedoms against the depredations of unbridled and invasive Christian morality.

$$Yep, now that it has been explained to me, I can see where right-wing religious fanatics are more dangerous than muslim terrorists, at least to certain forms of free enterprise unfettered by riculous and old-fashioned religious notions of social responsibility.$$

[crockett]

Originally posted by AKIron
Comeon, the "adult industry" has no interest in freedom of speech beyond profitability. Those of moral character who would allow free will must suffer the ills associated with humanity's proclivity to self destruction.

No one ever cares about anything unless it affects them directly. What have you done for freedom of speech?

It's easy to lay blame, but what have you done to help?


You want to talk about "Moral Character"?

Lets talk about people whom work in the tobacco industry. How many people die every year as a result of cigarettes?

Why is there no outcry against people whom work in the tobacco industry? After all they are linked to the deaths of 440 thousand people every year in the US alone.


"Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicate that tobacco use remains the leading preventable cause of death in the United States, causing approximately 440,000 premature deaths each year and resulting in an annual cost of more than $75 billion in direct medical costs attributable to smoking.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/Tobacco.html


There are all kinds of views and ideas on what is Moral and what isn't. While maybe I'm a bit more open on morality in regards to adult content. I tend to have quite the opposite views on suffering of people.

I think tobacco companies are immoral.
I think the US health insurance and pharmaceutical companies act immoral.
I think our govt acts immoral in regards to it's policies around the world.
I think govt's allowing kids to starve in Africa because of politics is immoral.

I could go on and on because there are many things that are 100s of times more damaging to  humanity than adult material is.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Let me see if I understand this correctly:  The heroic porn industry, which is slopping over with redeeming social value, stands as a defender of first amendment freedoms against the depredations of unbridled and invasive Christian morality.

$$Yep, now that it has been explained to me, I can see where right-wing religious fanatics are more dangerous than muslim terrorists, at least to certain forms of free enterprise unfettered by riculous and old-fashioned religious notions of social responsibility.$$

Christian groups have been attacking what you can watch on television, listen to on the radio and see on the internet for quite sometime. Not to mention trying to tell you what you can read at a public library. That is most definitely an assault on free speech.

Even Spirit of Justice herself was not spared the wrath of the moral police.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by crockett
No one ever cares about anything unless it affects them directly. What have you done for freedom of speech?

It's easy to lay blame, but what have you done to help?


You want to talk about "Moral Character"?

Lets talk about people whom work in the tobacco industry. How many people die every year as a result of cigarettes?

Why is there no outcry against people whom work in the tobacco industry? After all they are linked to the deaths of 440 thousand people every year in the US alone.


"Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicate that tobacco use remains the leading preventable cause of death in the United States, causing approximately 440,000 premature deaths each year and resulting in an annual cost of more than $75 billion in direct medical costs attributable to smoking.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/Tobacco.html


There are all kinds of views and ideas on what is Moral and what isn't. While maybe I'm a bit more open on morality in regards to adult content. I tend to have quite the opposite views on suffering of people.

I think tobacco companies are immoral.
I think the US health insurance and pharmaceutical companies act immoral.
I think our govt acts immoral in regards to it's policies around the world.
I think govt's allowing kids to starve in Africa because of politics is immoral.

I could go on and on because there are many things that are 100s of times more damaging to  humanity than adult material is.

What have I done? Towards what end? That tobacco kills people is not arguable. Less quantifiable is the detriment of pornography. Perhaps nothing more than create a gulf between you and your spouse or you and your God.