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Offline DREDIOCK

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« on: June 20, 2007, 08:10:43 PM »
Interesting read

And should provide loads of fun here



"The God Argument is based on the philosophy that if you can disprove all possible answers to a question except one, then that one answer is true! An example of this would be if you are taking a multiple choice test with four choices, and you know that B, C, and D are wrong, then you know A is correct! You prove 'A' is correct by disproving the other three choices. You do not need to directly prove that A is correct, it is correct by default"

And thus The God Argument starts with the following multiple choice question:
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 08:22:12 PM »
His argument for the Kalam contingency is old school Thomas Aquinas stuff, great for determining the number of angels that can dance on a pin, but it begins to suffer when you get into the realm of applying it to the real world.

Argument from contingency is popular, because, as Gottfried Liebnetz suggested, you can explain away anything in a puff of logic by basing it on a shaky premise.

The problem, of course, is that it dismisses the theory of infinite regression of cause.  Just because you assume that every cause must have an effect doesn't mean that, when dealing with the question of the beginning of the universe, that every effect must have a cause.  We're still learning new things every day, it seems a bit early to dismiss everything because, mathematically, a bumblebee cannot possibly fly.

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 08:26:48 PM »
a bumblebee does not understand mathematics, therefor it can fly.

or you could say mathematics does not understand bumblebees.

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2007, 08:28:58 PM »
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a bumblebee does not understand mathematics, therefor it can fly.

logic by john.


Now thats tagline material LOL
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 08:33:13 PM »
Is it just me.
Or does it seem if we were to apply the arguements used to disprove 1,2 and 3
To arguement 4
We would also be able to disprove arguement 4?
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 08:33:49 PM »
Oh God, another God arguement.

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 08:42:03 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Is it just me.
Or does it seem if we were to apply the arguements used to disprove 1,2 and 3
To arguement 4
We would also be able to disprove arguement 4?


in that case the answer would be 5, none of the above.:D

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 08:47:45 PM »
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Oh God, another God arguement.


I really appreciate the comparison

But you can call me Dred ;)
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 08:52:51 PM »
Anyone familar with superstrings (also known as twistors)?

Or the fact that time travel occurs often in a sense?

Anyone else read quantum physics books?

CFYA

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2007, 09:09:03 PM »
I believe in God and can careless.  Nor will I impede on other's beliefs, as long as they steer clear of mine.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2007, 09:39:25 PM »
Sherlock Holmes solved many cases using that methodology.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2007, 10:02:04 PM »
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I believe in God and can careless.  Nor will I impede on other's beliefs, as long as they steer clear of mine.


^ what he said..My brother is a minister....My grandfathers on both sides were ministers....2 uncles that are deacons. They have strong and deep beliefs....I have mine...and although we may not agree on everything...we do agree on the most important.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2007, 10:10:04 PM »
The way I see it there are only two possibilites, either there is an intelligent being (God) that created everything that is or there isn't. If there is then the whole and entire purpose of everyone (even atheists) is to accomplish what that being put us here to accomplish. We're all likely to feel awfully silly, ashamed, and/or both when we meet our maker and discover how fully we accomplished our purpose, especially those who denied we even had a purpose. The only alternative is that there isn't a creator and we end when we die meaning there is no meaning.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2007, 10:13:33 PM »
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Originally posted by CFYA
Anyone familar with superstrings (also known as twistors)?

Or the fact that time travel occurs often in a sense?

Anyone else read quantum physics books?

CFYA


My brother reads quantum physics books (sadly, over my head).  He's got a great blogspot that he's actually talking about the same thing: proof of God.  It's interesting.
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2007, 11:35:39 PM »
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Originally posted by CFYA
Anyone familar with superstrings (also known as twistors)?

Or the fact that time travel occurs often in a sense?

Anyone else read quantum physics books?

CFYA


Watch this.. Fascinating stuff.. I'm reading the book right now and it goes more in depth than the program, but it's definately worth watching..

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

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