The God Arguement

[Sandman]

There is no god.


...but if there was, he would have my contempt.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by AKIron
The way I see it there are only two possibilites, either there is an intelligent being (God) that created everything that is or there isn't. If there is then the whole and entire purpose of everyone (even atheists) is to accomplish what that being put us here to accomplish. We're all likely to feel awfully silly, ashamed, and/or both when we meet our maker and discover how fully we accomplished our purpose, especially those who denied we even had a purpose. The only alternative is that there isn't a creator and we end when we die meaning there is no meaning.

You qualify it as black and white, but what if this qualification is wrong?  Who's to say there isn't a shade of gray?  What if there is a really powerful being, that isn't all powerful (i.e. bad things happen to good people)?

And that's pretty much what I believe.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Sandman
There is no god.


...but if there was, he would have my contempt.

Actually, I think something similar.  If god gave us free will, how could he demand obedience?

[phookat]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
You qualify it as black and white, but what if this qualification is wrong?  Who's to say there isn't a shade of gray?  What if there is a really powerful being, that isn't all powerful (i.e. bad things happen to good people)?

And that's pretty much what I believe.

God is just another totalitarian dictator.  A benevolent one, which is even worse.  See 1984 for details.

You can't have it both ways, kids.  Either God is perfect or he's not.  If he's not perfect, then anything he says is subject to argument and revision, including his promises of paradise for those who "believe in him".  If he's not perfect, who's to say he's not lying?  If he is perfect, that just leads to other obvious conundrums (which is why you decided to make him imperfect).  It's a no-win situation.


And as far as "proof" of God.  God is something you can't ultimately prove or disprove.  Anyone who says different is conning you.  But you don't need to disprove something completely to think it is as nonsensical as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.  For example, you can't disprove the Matrix.  Doesn't mean it's true or even remotely likely.  You can't disprove Zeus, or Shiva, or Allah.  Doesn't mean any of them are true or remotely likely.

[moot]

Ifs all around!

[SirLoin]

Proof God didn't create the universe...

The Bible..The infallable word of God states>>>The sun revolves around the earth.

So he created the earth in seven days but failed to notice everything spins around that big glowing orange ball?

[Blank]

Bah humbug,

i read once from buddism, that trying to find all the answers is like a man whos been ambused and shot with a poison arrow, but before he will let the medic save him he wants to know about everything that just happened.
Where did the man stand?, what poison did he use?, where did he learn to make it?, what was his motive? and on and on.

And so he dies as the medic looks on helplessly as his friend dies trying to learn the answers to to many questions in the short time he had left.


And so this shows the futility of having to understand everything in our short lifetime, you could spend your entire life trying to prove or disprove God and still ultimately you will die having wasted your life.

So get our there and live and enjoy yourself, if god shows up in the future cool, I'll be sure to say hi, if he doesn't I shant let it bother me.

Agnostic fence sitting is the way to go :-)

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So back on topic this is the other choice you get with that multichoice:

Personal choice, leave all 4 unanswered, walk out the exam, head down the beach and go for a surf.  

bliss which nobody could argue with.

[Charge]

"The only alternative is that there isn't a creator and we end when we die meaning there is no meaning."

Well there can be a God but that does not mean our lives have a meaning and that we do not end when we die.

If there is a God the level of our thinking and reasoning probably cannot comprehend the nature of his existence. What I mean is that our thinking is limited by our quite simple perceptions of this world and learning and the social nature of our being. By social nature of our being I mean that everything that we say or think has to do with the nature of our existence which is mainly social in that it is about thinking what others might think and learning what others think and why. Thus our way of thinking is always hindered by certain boundaries which dictate the inner methodology of our reasoning structures. This may lead into a disturbing thought that when we fully understand what God is, we are...?

What troubles me is that it seems many times that many kinds of religious and fundamental hard values are actually a slight mockery of His possible existence and are run by a desperate fear of some missed "salvation" and are not run by a genuine love to Him and His "creation" (i.e. all that Exists). This also raises a thought of love, do we "love" because of ourselves? By this thought it is also revealed what I meant with social way of thinking and that is mainly what  our religions are about. We do not believe alone, but in groups.

I have often though what would remain if a huge comet would come and render Earth into a dead piece of mud. If there was a God would He allow that to happen or would that simply be a part of his "plan" or just one event in his creation serving the meaning of "being"? Hell, even our language and words act as a means of restricting our expression but that serves as a bridge between people and different thoughts. As they cannot deliver the exact idea the other person actually has of complicated matters they simply act as a guideline and this once again shows how much our social existence dictates our thinking.

Well, that sounds complicated...

-C+

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by AKIron
Sherlock Holmes solved many cases using that methodology.

.........and a 7% solution of cocaine. So much for Sherlock.

[john9001]

what if there is a god, but god did not creat everything?

[Ghosth]

I'm going to make this easy for you guys. Real simple with mostly small  words.

About GOD  >>>>> SHE IS BLACK.

Now the rest is up to you, believe, or not.  

[Gunthr]

I'm going to make this easy for you guys. Real simple with mostly small words.

About GOD >>>>> SHE IS BLACK. - Ghosth

hello?  i'd like to change my lunch order; cancel the inside-ouside unagi roll with flying fish eggs.   i think i'll have the chit'lins with black-eyed peas and sweet potato pie and lemonade.  thank you.

[john9001]

god is not a she or a he, god is not black or white, god is not even a single entity, god is more like a group or committee.

i'm not allowed to tell you more.

[Nilsen]

"I'll believe in God when 1 and 1 are 5"



^ Bad Religion... (litterally)

[phookat]

Originally posted by Charge
Well there can be a God but that does not mean our lives have a meaning and that we do not end when we die.

Indeed.  The existence of even the regular bronze-age santa-style God does not give human life any "real meaning."  What's the purpose of life?  To get into heaven?  Then what is the purpose of heaven, to sit around and play a harp?  It's all meaningless in the end if you choose to look at it that way.  Ultimately you have to make meaning for yourself, God or no God.  I think the joy of discovering more and more about our species and our universe in regular old reality provides more than enough awe and meaning for our tiny mammalian minds.  The reality of the evolution of the universe is far more magnificent and vast and awe-inspiring than any creation myth ever told.