ki61s annoy me

[crockett]

Originally posted by Lusche
Both planes have the same cannon: Ho-5.

Well something is diffrent on them, because the ki61's seem much more powerful.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by doc1kelley
All in all, a great plane at it's introduction but was replaced by the KI-100, which was far superior.

Not so. The Ki-100 was identical to the Ki-61 except they ran out of inline engines, so they mated a radial to the same airframe. It was almost identical, and in some cases worse, performance-wise. It was not a better aircraft, it just had a higher number on the name.


EDIT: I agree that there seems to be a difference in feel between the 2 planes' cannons. Ki61 seems more like MG/FF and Ki84s seem more like Hispanos (almost).

[Noir]

Originally posted by crockett
Yea it doesn't turn as well as the ki84 or the a6m's .

a Ki61 will own a KI84 in a low speed turn contest, the Ki84 is not a great turner, comparable to the spit8 IMO

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Noir
a Ki61 will own a KI84 in a low speed turn contest, the Ki84 is not a great turner, comparable to the spit8 IMO

According to Mosq's tests (Revised Sustained Turn list v2.07) The Ki-84 has a turning radius of 445 ft at a turn rate of 22.5 DPS. the Ki-61 520ft at 18.0 DPS (both with full flaps). Spit 8 has the same radius as Ki-84, but at only 20.9 DPS.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by crockett
Well something is diffrent on them, because the ki61's seem much more powerful.

In the Ki-61 the Ho-5 20mm cannons are in the cowl and the Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns are in the wings.

In the Ki-84 the Ho-5 20mm cannons are in the wings and the Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns are in the cowl.


If we could get the Ki-84-I-Otsu it would have Ho-5 20mm cannons in both the wing and the cowl.  The Japanese built about 500 of that model, more than the Russians built of the three cannon armed La-7 and more than the C.205 or N1K2-J in total.

[evenhaim]

lmao what have i done, this was more of a hey kermit thread ki61s are usually easy kills for me go figure:rolleyes:

lol karaya your cool in my book

well anyone have at it

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Noir
a Ki61 will own a KI84 in a low speed turn contest,

No it won't... The drag model update left the Ki-61 as a wallowing donkey at low speed, flaps out maneuvering. Drag is extremely severe and there's too little HP to redeem it.

My regards,

Widewing

[crockett]

Originally posted by Noir
a Ki61 will own a KI84 in a low speed turn contest, the Ki84 is not a great turner, comparable to the spit8 IMO

I'd have to disagree with that. No way IMO can a Ki-61 out turn a Ki84 at low speeds. Not assuming both pilots are equal.

I will agree that the ki-84 does get a little quirky at low speeds and is very easy to lose control of, but it still turns better and climbs better at low speed.

At high speed I'm not sure which one is better in the turns.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Karnak
In the Ki-61 the Ho-5 20mm cannons are in the cowl and the Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns are in the wings.

In the Ki-84 the Ho-5 20mm cannons are in the wings and the Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns are in the cowl.


If we could get the Ki-84-I-Otsu it would have Ho-5 20mm cannons in both the wing and the cowl.  The Japanese built about 500 of that model, more than the Russians built of the three cannon armed La-7 and more than the C.205 or N1K2-J in total.

I dunno man, I've put a lot of time in the ki-84 (not so much lately) but when I first started flying the ki-61 I was amazed with the cannons compared to the 84's.

Maybe it's something with the arrangement or the convergence but I still say the guns on a ki-61 out preform those on a ki-84. I know they say the same thing in the game, but they sure feel different to me.

btw I think my convergence is set to 450 in both planes, maybe 450 isn't as good for the 84? I honestly haven't played with that very much.

[Karnak]

450 is much farther out than I'd advise.  250-300 would be better.

[Bubbajj]

fly a p40 for a while then jump in a Ki. It has wep and will really roll over the top.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by crockett
I'd have to disagree with that. No way IMO can a Ki-61 out turn a Ki84 at low speeds. Not assuming both pilots are equal.

I will agree that the ki-84 does get a little quirky at low speeds and is very easy to lose control of, but it still turns better and climbs better at low speed.

At high speed I'm not sure which one is better in the turns.

How much would you be willing to bet?

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Widewing
No it won't... The drag model update left the Ki-61 as a wallowing donkey at low speed, flaps out maneuvering. Drag is extremely severe and there's too little HP to redeem it.

My regards,

Widewing

  ... that's a shame ... do you think that the model is wrong ?

I remember you saying this before in another thread, so I climbed back into the 61 (I use to fly it alot) and found it to be everything you said ... a wallowing donkey. There was a time that I could spank Spits at low speeds once I got the flaps out.

[Kermit de frog]

Quit hijacking the thread....sheesh, Let's all get back to the point....I own Freezman!

Skyrock, I own your CHog too......or have you forgetting already?




Odege, , when I think of a KI61 pilot, I think of him.  I used to always think what a POS plane that guy flew years ago while crusing by in my typhy.  Odege is a good pilot who is known for flying the KI61....you'll find him flying late/early morning U.S. time.




 I'll find joo freezman, the horde is no place for a pony to hide.

[evenhaim]

heheh i pwn u!:cool:
uh oh:noid